Cryptic Clues - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Ivriniel · 07-08-2015, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

He mingles twilight with doom, initially.

"HE" + (mingles) "doom" (Umbar), with the 'He' positioned first=Turumbar

Pervinca Took · 07-09-2015, 04:43 AM

Good try!

However, you are forgetting the 'twilight' element. Also, it doesn't say that 'he' mingles with doom, but that 'twilight' does. The straight part of the clue doesn't usually contribute letters to the cryptic part; in general it kind of stands apart from it, so to speak.

It kinds of betrays the hobbitlike side of me that Turambar often makes me think of Carambars - candy bars that were always in the confectionery and cake shops when my parents started taking us to France for holidays. Probably not the effect Tolkien was going for at all.

Ivriniel · 07-09-2015, 04:45 AM

I took twilight to mean 'twilight of Turumbar's people in the devastation of FA', as that part of the clue that was 'the real bit'.

Pervinca Took · 07-09-2015, 04:57 AM

Cryptic clues can sometimes work more like riddle clues, but usually they are more likely to be made up of anagrams and synonyms, etc of the words in the clue (with the straight part of the clue often being exactly what it seems to be).

Ivriniel · 07-09-2015, 04:58 AM

I'm learning. So, will look forwards to seeing what the answer is and reverse engineer

Pervinca Took · 07-09-2015, 06:26 AM

Why not have another go and learn on the job, so to speak?

Start with 'twilight.' What might you do with that, according to the conventions of cryptic clues?

07-09-2015, 04:43 AM	#2
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Good try! However, you are forgetting the 'twilight' element. Also, it doesn't say that 'he' mingles with doom, but that 'twilight' does. The straight part of the clue doesn't usually contribute letters to the cryptic part; in general it kind of stands apart from it, so to speak. It kinds of betrays the hobbitlike side of me that Turambar often makes me think of Carambars - candy bars that were always in the confectionery and cake shops when my parents started taking us to France for holidays. Probably not the effect Tolkien was going for at all. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-09-2015, 04:57 AM	#4
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Cryptic clues can sometimes work more like riddle clues, but usually they are more likely to be made up of anagrams and synonyms, etc of the words in the clue (with the straight part of the clue often being exactly what it seems to be). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-09-2015, 06:26 AM	#6
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Why not have another go and learn on the job, so to speak? Start with 'twilight.' What might you do with that, according to the conventions of cryptic clues? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-09-2015, 04:45 AM	#3
Ivriniel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 430	I took twilight to mean 'twilight of Turumbar's people in the devastation of FA', as that part of the clue that was 'the real bit'.

07-09-2015, 04:58 AM	#5
Ivriniel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 430	I'm learning. So, will look forwards to seeing what the answer is and reverse engineer