Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread

[Kuruharan]

Narration to follow.

[Kuruharan]

The debate this DAY was a bit slower, more delibrative than previous.

The inmates took plenty of time for hearty meals and pauses for thought.

Certainly today would see a solid, well-thought result. I mean, this would be the last sort of DAY when one of the inmates might suddenly jump up, throw himself on the guillotine, and pull the lever.

Wouldn't it be..?

At least the scratching continued.

Nice to have stability, after all.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green
Macalaure
Rikae
Legate of Amon Lanc
Loslote
Firefoot
Lalaith
Nilpaurion Felagund

The Living:
Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Nerwen
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor (Ordo)

[Kuruharan]

Due to unforeseen circumstances, I'm starting DAY 5 early (all NIGHT folks reported in, don't worry, I'm not skipping anyone).

It was a sedate NIGHT.

The sun returned to herald the return of DAY rather early but with it came breakfast and other than the earliness nothing seemed to be amiss...except for a faint but pervasive red mist that seemed to hang over everything.

With no new corpses to discover everyone ate with renewed appitite and for a time believed they had finally overcome their situation.

But then they realized that Kuru had not come back and he had promised to do so.

Then they realized that Nerwen was missing. They hunted for her high and low, but there was no sign of her.

The red mist was becoming quite distracting and the inmates were becoming damp with it.

They set to the DAY's task to the continued sound of scratching.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green
Macalaure
Rikae
Legate of Amon Lanc
Loslote
Firefoot
Lalaith
Nilpaurion Felagund
Nerwen

The Living:
Formendacil
satansaloser2005
McCaber
Boromir88
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor (Ordo)

[Mithalwen]

Well no extra vote yesterday presumably because it wasn't exactly clear what we wanted. Can only assume that they had more sense and decided no information was better than misinformation.

Maybe it would be an idea to get that sorted early today. Ideally so that those east of the Sea aren't in the "you didn't get up this morning because you didn't go to bed, you were watching the whites of you eyes turn red" type situation. On which subject.. I did try to stay awake to the end of yesterday but woke five minutes past deadline gazing at a lit bulb and clutching the flaptop... not my finest hour.

Hopefully the single kill means one pack has been eliminated and Nerwen can be trusted.. not that I didn't before but.... not only option though. Especiallly since there isn't a body so maybe not a proper kill... or a sign that She will be back

And now I shall probably catch up on sleep, since Kuru has been kind.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, that was unexpected. I figured both of us would be dead.

More thoughts later. Nuzzles, gaming, and sleep now. The good news is that I'll be around more toDay.

[McCaber]

Well, I didn't vote yesterDay, so if I was the one the dead empowered it might not have shown up in the narration.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm going to assume that Boro didn't kill Nerwen, and that a wolf pack did. I wouldn't let down our guard quite yet, though - it wouldn't surprise me if there are still two packs and they both targeted my fair queen last night.

[Mithalwen]

Well that may be the case but we have to meet the dead part way here. We have ten living as options and ideally they should have choice since with reduced numbers the extra vote may decide the voting.

[McCaber]

Going off of Nerwen's list (are we allowed to call her the seer now that she's dead?), the potential wolves still around are:

Formendacil
mormegil
Mithalwen
Kath
and myself.

At a maximum there are three wolves on that list thanks to Boro and Nerwen's efforts, and if we managed to get even one ourselves earlier (or if the wolves killed one off in their internecine feuding) we are looking at a rather short game ahead of us.

[Boromir88]

Nope I didn't kill anyone last night.

I was considering Form because of his previous days posting, which got really creepy, really quickly. But I'm trying to exercise a little bit of restraint and caution. I'm completely off today so I can dedicate some additional effort to lynching wolves during the day as well.

We need to find out what the dead know. Can anyone think of a reason the Dead would not have checked Lalaith last night?

And again I'm going to assume the Ranger is still alive. In which case I will say again don't protect me. I may, or may not still have some more to take down before I'm gone. Feels good knowing I at least got one.

[mormegil]

Boro, you've still not indicated your allegiance. Is it to yourself or the village? Dumb question, I know, because you can simply tell us the village and we have no way of verifying. I commend you for your kill of Macwolf; however I'm still uncertain of Lalwolf and you never indicated what you felt suspicious about her.

Additionally, I've been thinking about Kath and there are two major concerns that are brought to my mind. First, she could be a wolf who is hiding by posting minimally. A viable strategy to be sure and she has been somewhat immune to any major suspicion up to this point. It's also a strategy that helps ensure you don't get to be a target of a seer dream. Second, if she is innocent, she becomes a liability the further we go. We will need all villagers to be present and up to speed on what's going on. Overall, this is a concern we need addressed.

Boromir, to your question about Lal being a target for the dead, it would seem probable. A situation like that should be easy enough to orchestrate.

Something like this:

If Lalaith is a wolf give your vote to:
Form
Sally
McCaber


If she's not, give the vote to:
Boromir88
Thinlómien
Eomer


If you don't know give your vote to:
mormegil
Shastanis Althreduin
Mithalwen
Kath

Thoughts? Approval?

[Mithalwen]

Not sure that Lalaith is the most useful information at this point. If Nerwen were the Seer she may have had her dreams before she died. Wouldn't it be more useful to contrive something to find out something out abput the living since we must be nearing a very delicate stage.

Personally speaking, while it would make days easier to be a proven innocent such identification post lynch vote might be counterproductive in that it pins a nice target for the wolves. So maybe only ask them to identify a known wolf.. obviously not by giving them the bonus vote but with either prearranged "pairs" or other system?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I don't know if this is a stretch, but did anyone else have the feeling that Nilp may have been empowered by the Dead yesterday? If so, the narration is quite cryptic; but it does mention that Nilp jumped up and pulled the lever on himself - he didn't cast the deciding vote as a few people voted him after his self-vote, so I'm puzzled that he's described as pulling the lever.

Could be nothing more than a joke, of course, but if not then it would indicate that Legate was innocent.

Depending on who the Ranger is and who they tried to save (if still in the village) we might be able to narrow it down from 4 (Morm, Form, Mith & Kath) to 3 or 2. Then I'd say it's just a matter of killing them off one by one.

Note that I'm taking Sally's post yesterday as proof of a certain someone's innocence, but if that was some sort of in-joke then we should really get that confirmed.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh, and Form: yes.

I must say it was brilliant stuff from Nerwen. I so wanted my earlier theory about the special role to be right, though!

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Not sure that Lalaith is the most useful information at this point. If Nerwen were the Seer she may have had her dreams before she died. Wouldn't it be more useful to contrive something to find out something out abput the living since we must be nearing a very delicate stage.

Personally speaking, while it would make days easier to be a proven innocent such identification post lynch vote might be counterproductive in that it pins a nice target for the wolves. So maybe only ask them to identify a known wolf.. obviously not by giving them the bonus vote but with either prearranged "pairs" or other system?

Ahh this is an excellent idea. Makes me feel a whole lot better about you too. I have no idea right now on Eomer, Kath, and morm. I feel pretty good about Shasta's innocence and Form's guilt but neither are certainties in my mind. I'm inclined to trust sally's one of the lovers still. So now, I guess it comes down to whether we can get on the same page.

Boro, you've still not indicated your allegiance. Is it to yourself or the village? Dumb question, I know, because you can simply tell us the village and we have no way of verifying. I commend you for your kill of Macwolf; however I'm still uncertain of Lalwolf and you never indicated what you felt suspicious about her.~morm

I've been intentionally cryptic I know...but don't doubt there's nothing I want to do more right now than kill wolves...either through the lynch or more personal hands-on. Preferably both.

So, if you trust that fact about me...then I think Mith's suggestion of trying to uncover Nerwen's previous dreams and uncover the living players is a great idea. It only works though if you lot trust my desire is to purge this place of wolves.

Mith, are you thinking of something like...

If Nerwen dreamed...

-Form a wolf, than dead give their bonus vote to me

-Eomer a wolf, give the bonus vote to sally

The one thing is we don't have enough current trusted innocents to cover the living unknown players.

[Mithalwen]

It depends on whose reckoning you take as trusted innocent. If you get down to four suspects then you can have vote x or y for each and have a couple spares for zero wolf and pigs ear options. However if the presumptions of innocence are less certain then it is harder. We could make an educate guess on who a Nerwen seer would have chosen maybe... if we have the 2 most certain innocents as the single options and pair a more innocent seeming player with the main targets it gives the dead a chance to send a clear message without empowering a strong wolf candidate.

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[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I've been intentionally cryptic I know...but don't doubt there's nothing I want to do more right now than kill wolves...either through the lynch or more personal hands-on. Preferably both.

Will you please tell us if you are on our side? This response did not reassure me of that. A werebear type role would want the wolves eliminated too.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Mith, are you thinking of something like...

If Nerwen dreamed...

-Form a wolf, than dead give their bonus vote to me

-Eomer a wolf, give the bonus vote to sally

The one thing is we don't have enough current trusted innocents to cover the living unknown players.

It's a fine idea, however I would recommend having at least two options for the dead to pick who the vote goes to. Again, you are asking we trust you, when I simply cannot at this stage. You have too many variables about you. I trust Sally and I trusted Nerwen. While we can assume you are not a wolf (unless you are a lone wolf type scenario) we don't know you are innocent. We know you can kill whom you pick at night.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Will you please tell us if you are on our side? This response did not reassure me of that. A werebear type role would want the wolves eliminated too.

The only ones who should be worried about my allegiance are the wolves. I'm no were, grizzly, koala, or any kind of bear. I'm just a lonely killer, temporarily satisfied by the blood of wolves.

I'm cool with Lommy's scheme, that would cover all possible options.

Although, Mith's idea here:

However I have had an idea that is either bonkers or genius and I am not sure which. We know that there must be a majority of innocents in the dead thread now and that they seem to be horrifically active. I know given my vehement opposition to rigged voting day one but if we arranged a tie either of the unknowns or even go the whole hog and all just self vote then the dead can either take out a known wolf or if they don't know any leave us all to bicker another day. Too much of a risk of something going wrong?

I would put more on the genius. I mean it would be the best way for the Dead to have power and help us. I don't think it could go wrong on their end. It may go wrong on the living end, simply if one living wolf breaks rank and messes it up. Of course it would mean they're exposed as a wolf, but by the time we may not have the numbers to do anything about it. We still can't be sure if there's 1 pack or 2, or even if I was right about Lalaith.

To answer morm's question on my suspicions of Lalaith/why I targeted her. As I said yesterday, it was a later decision, because I had in mind to leave the clue as I had before (calling Eomer "den-dweller"), but when I was going through everything from that day and Nerwen's reveals. Lalaith had been playing under the radar, but still was sounding really certain about Lottie and Mac's guilt. And after all these years I still remember Mith's words about sounding certain as a sign of a wolf. Granted, that's a bit simplified, but I figured her certainty made her look guilty more than gifted, and worse than Eomer's posts about sacrificing one of the lovers for information.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Mith, are you thinking of something like...

If Nerwen dreamed...

-Form a wolf, than dead give their bonus vote to me

-Eomer a wolf, give the bonus vote to sally

The one thing is we don't have enough current trusted innocents to cover the living unknown players.

This is an excellent idea (kudos to Mith).

However, not sure I'm following through. I always thought Nerwen dreamed of me, Shasta and Eomer as well - why would she otherwise have told the village not to vote any of us? Just because she was personally leaning towards considering us innocent? Wouldn't that have been a rather reckless move from a seer? Given that she didn't say "I would prefer not lynching x, y or z" but rather "trust me, let's not lynch these folks toDay" (not a direct quote but you get the drift).

I want to check Nerwen's posts and do a little maths anyway. I have a feeling something doesn't add up, and I'm most baffled about her telling the ranger not to protect herself and not explicitly saying she was the seer if she was so certain she's going to die anyway. (I mean, it was a brilliant move not to say it in the beginning, but not saying it late-ish yesterDay makes me scratch my head a little.)

And I'm not saying Nerwen wasn't the seer. I still believe she was. There's just something weird going on. Also, by checking again whose roles she cleared or indicated and how many dreams she'd have had maybe we can achieve a mutual agreement whether she dreamed of me, Eomer and Shasta or not.

Lastly but not least, I'm still a tiny bit unsure about Boro. What he's doing would be a bold but pretty good move from a wolf. I'm definitely not suggesting lynching him anytime soon, but I'm not sure we should trust him 100%.

I am sorry this game is making me paranoid, but to be honest I'm mostly sorry for myself.

[Mithalwen]

Lommy, don't quite get you... that is Boro's variant not mine.. I was thinking of the 4/5 including me listed by Eomer...

However I have had an idea that is either bonkers or genius and I am not sure which. We know that there must be a majority of innocents in the dead thread now and that they seem to be horrifically active. I know given my vehement opposition to rigged voting day one but if we arranged a tie either of the unknowns or even go the whole hog and all just self vote then the dead can either take out a known wolf or if they don't know any leave us all to bicker another day. Too much of a risk of something going wrong?

[Thinlómien]

Nerwen straightforwardly said innocent
[the phantom]
[Firefoot]

Nerwen said don't vote
Lommy
Eomer
Shasta

Nerwen said guilty
[Mac]
[Lottie]

Otherwise notable
Nerwen was very quick to believe Boro - another seer dream? My memory is a little fuzzy, but she may have said the same about Sally.

Including Boro or Sally would add up to 8 seer dreams, the correct amount for 4 nights. If Nerwen had dreamed of someone else (probably a dead person), I don't see why she wouldn't have mentioned it.

I'm still going to read her posts, but this is a good starting point.

This would also mean our remaining wolves are among

Morm
Form
Kath
Mith
McCaber

possibly but probably not Boro

(not Sally if we take her reveal at face value, which I still would)

Personally the ones I'm urgently worried about are Morm, Form and Kath.

[Kath]

++morm[/QUOTE]

I have to go pass out now. morm's focus on the lack of specific wording by Nerwen felt forced, and he's on the unknown list. If you want to aim for a tie, feel free to add my name in to the mix. As I said, as long as we can afford the numbers my death won't lose the village anything in terms of roles if the tie doesn't work out.