Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay, I have to go and it's possible I won't be able to get back online later, so I guess I can't sit on this any longer. I said I had a particular reason for wanting to hear everyone's opinion's of everyone else, and here it is:

I received a pm telling me that the Seer had dreamed two wolves, Macalaure and Lottie.

It was *not* explained to me why I was being sent this interesting communication, nor can I find anything about it in the rules. Maybe this is a once-off thing (on the Seer's death?), or maybe a different person has been sent dreams each Night. Maybe the Dead are involved, or the mystery role. I honestly have no idea.

I realise I have no way of backing any of this up, and am asking you all to take my word for it, but I do think there's decent circumstantial evidence against both Lottie and Mac.

Well, that's just not fair.

Anyway, in the interest of killing the other pack - who I hate with every bone in my furry little body - here's who I wanted to kill toMorrow Night, and why:

Originally Posted by Firefoot

It seems likely to me that Rikae and phantom were killed by one pack and Rune and Legate by the other, in that the pairs can be categorized similarly - Rikae and phantom both being quite vocal and widely unsuspected, while Rune and Legate both seem to play a hazier role (Legate was generally not considered suspicious, I believe?). Might be worth taking a look at who Legate and Rikae suspected yesterDay - I would be pretty nervous at this point if I was a wolf and the seer was still running around, so that's who I would think they were going for.

Rikae's strongest suspicion seemed to be Lottie. She voted for Greenie. Day 1 she voted for Lommy and discussed continuing suspicion of her early in Day 2, but by the end of Day 2 Lommy no longer seemed under consideration for votes. She seemed to find Nog, Form, Agan, Mac, and I (late in the Day, changing her mind) probably innocent.

Firefoot is way, way too spot on here. Of course she knows who the other pack killed at Night - she was there. My pack killed Rune and Legate (I would like to take the credit for figuring out that Legate was likely the Seer, thank you, I was pretty pleased with that. Can't believe he got the info out anyway) and Mac's and, presumably, Firefoot's pack killed tp and Rikae. (I didn't know which of Rikae and Mac they had killed until Firefoot confirmed for me that Mac was one of her pack, by the way. Thanks for that.)

Also, notice how Firefoot plays down how much Rikae and Legate both suspected her? I remember last Night thinking that Legate would probably dream either her or me last Night, and Rikae definitely suspected her, so she wasn't nearly as well trusted as she is trying to pretend here, and she is just as implicated in the case that a wolf pack Night killed one of them as I was, even though she tried to pretend otherwise.

My pack, kill her. Village, kill her. She is a wolf, and a rival of mine, and I will not have competition for my own dearly beloved packmates. <3

[Lalaith]

++Loslote

What on earth was she saying about Mac in that rant? Can anyone else figure it out?

[Firefoot]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Firefoot is way, way too spot on here. Of course she knows who the other pack killed at Night - she was there. My pack killed Rune and Legate (I would like to take the credit for figuring out that Legate was likely the Seer, thank you, I was pretty pleased with that. Can't believe he got the info out anyway) and Mac's and, presumably, Firefoot's pack killed tp and Rikae. (I didn't know which of Rikae and Mac they had killed until Firefoot confirmed for me that Mac was one of her pack, by the way. Thanks for that.)

Also, notice how Firefoot plays down how much Rikae and Legate both suspected her? I remember last Night thinking that Legate would probably dream either her or me last Night, and Rikae definitely suspected her, so she wasn't nearly as well trusted as she is trying to pretend here, and she is just as implicated in the case that a wolf pack Night killed one of them as I was, even though she tried to pretend otherwise.

My pack, kill her. Village, kill her. She is a wolf, and a rival of mine, and I will not have competition for my own dearly beloved packmates. <3

You may, of course, take the word of a wolf.

For the record, here were the last things Rikae and Legate said about me:

Rikae, #380: [After a post by post analysis]: Conclusions: very safe, very under-the-radar, but otherwise seems innocent enough.

Legate, #329: Personally I do not know what to make of Firefoot, it isn't particularly striking impression, but the bit of wishy-washiness is there. [And later]: I just mentioned Lottie above (and Firefoot too, in fact), I am not sure if I would really go so far to vote for them.

#340: Could just as well be in the yellow zone though, it is more a matter of distinction, I think it would be nice to reread the posts etc to get better opinion, but that's about it.

I'd also like to point out that I have been pretty consistent in my suspicion of Mac, and voted for him yesterday bringing him to three votes when Agan had only four.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

You may, of course, take the word of a wolf.

For the record, here were the last things Rikae and Legate said about me:

The last things, but not the only things. You were on Rikae's radar:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Just popping in to say I'm not particularly happy with the options at the moment. I don't have much time but how do others feel about Firefoot, and about Lottie? These loud, controversial people - Agan, Mac - seem less and less wolfish to me, and I don't see much of a case against Morm.

In fact, you were one of two people she analyzed yesterDay. If I were you, and I thought she was the Seer, I would have been very concerned that she would dream of you the next Night, just to be sure.

Anyway, it doesn't matter too much whether or not you actually did worry that she was a Seer who had dreamt of you or not. You did try to distance yourself earlier toDay, and you did try to play down her suspicions of you, indicating that you knew going into the Day that you had to be careful not to link yourself to the Night kill.

I'd also like to point out that I have been pretty consistent in my suspicion of Mac, and voted for him yesterday bringing him to three votes when Agan had only four.

You might have crossed with Mac's vote for Agan, which brought her to five, but you did know he was around, and you had to know there was enough momentum against her and not enough against Mac, and that the lynch was basically already determined. I could easily see this as a safe but potentially effective bit of distancing yourselves.

None of this addresses the most important of my points: how did you know, without once suggesting something that was not correct, how the Night kills were distributed between the packs? You hit the nail on the head with your first swing, which would have been almost impossible if you only had access to the information the rest of the village does. You only could have know that that was how the kills fell out if you were, in fact, a member of one of the packs.

[Firefoot]

Originally Posted by Loslote

how did you know, without once suggesting something that was not correct, how the Night kills were distributed between the packs? You hit the nail on the head with your first swing, which would have been almost impossible if you only had access to the information the rest of the village does. You only could have know that that was how the kills fell out if you were, in fact, a member of one of the packs.

Good guess? Just seemed like the most obvious pairing...

A further point - since Lottie has been so kind as to take credit for Legate's kill, our possible seer, I'm going to guess that Greenie and Lottie are in the same pack - otherwise Legate's suspicion of Greenie wouldn't really point to him being a seer.

So our current list of the living is:

Lottie - wolf by her own admission, maybe with Greenie

Innocent, if we believe Legate was the seer:
Nerwen
Lommy
Mith

And the rest of us - up to three wolves in this group:
Form
Sally
McCaber
Boro
Firefoot
Lal
Eomer
morm
Nilp
Shasta
Kath

If we can ferret out Lottie and Greenie's packmate, we'd be down to one kill a night (by the wolves anyway...).

[Firefoot]

But wait a minute... Legate was only killed last night, so the Dead Thread wouldn't have access to his information (if he was the seer) until toDay. Looking again at Nerwen's reveal post, she said:

It was *not* explained to me why I was being sent this interesting communication, nor can I find anything about it in the rules. Maybe this is a once-off thing (on the Seer's death?), or maybe a different person has been sent dreams each Night. Maybe the Dead are involved, or the mystery role. I honestly have no idea.

So if we're sticking with the idea that Legate was the seer, I think it must have something to do with his death, maybe with some obscure relation to the mystery role, but nothing to do with the Dead Thread.

The other option is that Legate was not the seer, his guess about Greenie was just lucky since it set Lottie off, and that the seer is dead, and somehow this message is coming from the Dead Thread (again, maybe with some relation to the mystery role).

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

The other option is that Legate was not the seer, his guess about Greenie was just lucky since it set Lottie off, and that the seer is dead, and somehow this message is coming from the Dead Thread (again, maybe with some relation to the mystery role).

Or Legate could have just gotten lucky, and Nerwen is the Seer who made up a pm from Kuru so that her reveal would be a little less risky. Keep that possibility in mind, wolves!

[Firefoot]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Or Legate could have just gotten lucky, and Nerwen is the Seer who made up a pm from Kuru so that her reveal would be a little less risky. Keep that possibility in mind, wolves!

That would be one of the cleverest lies I've ever heard of.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Does that confirm that the third-party role killed Mac? (Bit hard to follow on a phone, sorry.)

++Lottie

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Does that confirm that the third-party role killed Mac? (Bit hard to follow on a phone, sorry.)

Well, it wasn't my pack, and it sure wasn't his own pack, so I'm gonna go with yes.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Loslote

My pack, kill her. Village, kill her. She is a wolf, and a rival of mine, and I will not have competition for my own dearly beloved packmates. <3

If that's the case, why doesn't your mates just kill her, or don't you feel like being THAT helpful?.