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Mithalwen · 06-06-2015, 07:17 AM

kath never posts much but she is keeping such a low profile that I wonder if it is deliberate,

Morm what exactly has made you suspicious the querying of a broken link or finding unneccesarily oblique posts tedious. Were you planning to postulate a theory through the medium of interpretative dance and fear the opprobrium? Anyway I should be glad ot be notice I suppose, for the first couple of days I though I was on everyone's ignore list... not that I could blame anyone for that.

anyway satisfy my curiosity or not....

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-06-2015, 07:53 AM

Just a couple of points:

After Kuru's rule clarification I am not for lynching a Lover; the risk outweighs the benefit. Not sure what to make of Boro's adamant refusal to even consider a move which could give the village secure information; we all know we have to lynch wolves, but there are different means to these ends.

I dislike Form's post from today: he parrots Nerwen, calling me 'cryptic,' (not really sure why this idea is gaining traction) and the rest of his post is also re-hashing of an idea from yesterday. You're moving up the suspicion list, esteemed Warg scholar though you may be.

Thinlómien · 06-06-2015, 07:55 AM

I'm really tempted to think Legate was the seer. Not because the prospect of a dead seer makes me happy, but because it would make a lot of sense. Also with his dreams being innocent me and Mith and Nerwen (who seem very innocent to me, especially the latter), and guilty Greenie (which wouldn't surprise me either).

Firefoot's apology for her wishy-washiness actually makes her look better to me.

Really flip-flopping on Deadalaure. Cobbler shouldn't be an option. Still thinking he'd be more careful as a wolf. But he's weird.

The narration names Mac, Rikae and Legate in this order. I wonder if it means anything at all. My idea would be to have the non-wolfkill last, but what do I know.

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Originally Posted by Boro

The other thing, I hope the Dead knows someone's role from the Nog, phantom, Rune and Greenie group. Any ideas on which of the four they would have voted to find out?

My money is on Nog or Greenie. If we're trying to set up some communication system, I'd strongly suggest having these as options. (And I won't have time toDay to be a part of talking/suggesting specifics, or figuring out why didn't we know anything about yesterDay's extra vote - my guess is the dead didn't vote because they want to be as clear as possible.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by morm

Agan voters were:
Greenie (dead—possible wolf)
Lalaith
Lommy
McCaber
Mac (dead)
Nilp
Eomer
Boromir

Indeed there likely was at least one or two wolves in the voting mix.

Knowing she was innocent, I'm pretty sure there are lots of wolves in this list. She was an easy lynch (follow-up from the Day before) and she did look bad so it wouldn't have been an irrational choice. I'm basically wary of everybody except myself and Lalaith (who just seems very very innocent to me).

I agree Rikae and Legate are likelier wolf-kills than Mac. Somebody should look at Rikae's posts for things the wolves might have considered seerish. As for the special role, I think we shouldn't waste too much time speculating. We can't really know anything.

McCaber and Eomer and Firefoot's discussion about gifted reveals feels a little odd to me. Hard to pin point it though.

Lottie's "if I were a wolf" post #445 is a little fishy to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't the first time she's helpfully explaining wolf logic, is it?

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ooo...another thought. Maybe the special role is a wandering one, going from person to person each day or night. Remember, everyone has to have their wits about them, say the rules.

That's not unlikely I suppose. I guess we'll see?

I feel uncomfortable about Boro keeping all his options open. I feel like he's doing it the "let's see who we can lynch who's not in my pack" way. Also I feel like usually when he's innocent he's more offended if I suspect him?

But seriously though, at this point I can't really blame anyone for not having strong suspects...

Hey, this was a lot shorter than I thought! Will be back a lot later.

edit: xed with Eomer

Boromir88 · 06-06-2015, 07:55 AM

Quote:

I stole the list header from Boro, who used it in the old Mandos game. (I kept his original typo, though, hence the [sic].) He seems not to have noticed, tehe.~Nilp

I've been in a deep slumber from any WW games until recently. So, I probably forgot all about that

I'll be gone until about an hour or so before the DL. Cheers.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-06-2015, 08:27 AM

The Legate-as-Seer theory, based on his Day 2 list, needs to be checked against his Day 1 list.

Green was the sole serious suspect both days.

Nerwen, Lommy and Mith were alone as innocents on Day 2, but were all in the innocent pile on Day 1 as well - along with a bunch of other people. So if Legate is the Seer, did he dream Green on the first night? Why then would he spend both his dreams on people he found innocent? Very unlikely. On the other hand, he might have just got very lucky (or is very good at hunting!) in focusing on Green on Day 1 and confirming his correct suspicion the next night. This is more likely but still a bit of a long shot.

Rikae's focus on Loslote on Day 2 seems more Seerish. She puts great effort into making a case against her (#338) while couching in the post prior that she wanted to take a closer look at Loslote and Firefoot. Interestingly, in that post (#325) she mentions exactly three names as innocents: Agan, Mac and Morm.

Lalaith · 06-06-2015, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

The Legate-as-Seer theory, based on his Day 2 list, needs to be checked against his Day 1 list.

Green was the sole serious suspect both days.

Nerwen, Lommy and Mith were alone as innocents on Day 2, but were all in the innocent pile on Day 1 as well - along with a bunch of other people. So if Legate is the Seer, did he dream Green on the first night? Why then would he spend both his dreams on people he found innocent? Very unlikely. On the other hand, he might have just got very lucky (or is very good at hunting!) in focusing on Green on Day 1 and confirming his correct suspicion the next night. This is more likely but still a bit of a long shot.

Rikae's focus on Loslote on Day 2 seems more Seerish. She puts great effort into making a case against her (#338) while couching in the post prior that she wanted to take a closer look at Loslote and Firefoot. Interestingly, in that post (#325) she mentions exactly three names as innocents: Agan, Mac and Morm.

These are good points, Eomer - I forgot to check over Legate's list from day 1. That first list of his was a bit odd actually in that his comments didn't always match the categories he put people into. Although your 'lucky suspicion' scenario could also be correct. But I agree, it is also quite plausible that Rikae could either be the seer or have been suspected as one by wolves.

Firefoot · 06-06-2015, 08:30 AM

A proposal to guide the Dead vote:

Since there are fifteen of us, there are almost enough of us to give each option (Nog good/bad, phantom good/bad, etc) two living people that the Dead could vote for. We can try to split it up so that each option has a more suspicious and a less suspicious player (though I doubt everyone will exactly agree on the categorization). The odd one out with only one choice can be Sally (I agree this would be a really strange wolf false-reveal). That way the Dead will have a little more room to send us an additional message if they want, or won't be forced to give the extra vote to someone they know is furry in order to send us the information we are asking for (at least, it will be less likely).

For example:

If Nog is a wolf, give your extra vote to Form or McCaber
If Nog is innocent, give your extra vote to Lottie or Nerwen
If phantom is a wolf, give your extra vote to Boro or Firefoot
If phantom is innocent, give your extra vote to Lommy or Lal
If Greenie is a wolf, give your extra vote to Eomer or morm
If Greenie is innocent, give your extra vote to Nilp or shasta
If Rune is a wolf, give your extra vote to Mith or Kath
If Rune is innocent, give your extra vote to Sally

I (almost) went straight down the list of Living, so I wasn't putting too much thought into the pairings, or who they're paired with. Wanted to put the idea out and see if people like it before putting too much effort in. Plus I'm sure others will have opinions.

For the record, I'm starting to feel like morm is probably innocent. I'm agreeing with a lot of what he says.

Boro is rising in my suspicions though. Something about his tone rubs me the wrong way (see posts 360 and 431). Don't know that it merits a lynching at this point; honestly it might just be that he's reminding me of a coworker who is irritating me right now, but I wanted to throw it out there.

Mithalwen · 06-06-2015, 08:38 AM

On the Legate as Seer theory I googled the quotation he gave at the beginning of his first post( as I finally systematically trawl through and take notes aiee) "I sense evil within this place ... I hear foul creatures about" - it is from a computer game called Den of Evil (apologies if those who belong to a more likely demographic than me to know about such things are as familiar with this quote as "to be or not to be". It might just have been an opening day gimmick or it could have been a seer hint framed as such.

And by the same token does anyone think Rune's opening strap line of Yankee Doodle Dandy has any relevance.

satansaloser2005 · 06-06-2015, 08:41 AM

I'm certainly prepared to be lynched if such a thing is necessary, but I feel it might be better to give the dead one more Day to scry another person. At this point, I really just feel more information is necessary in general, and so I shall provide it.

What I would suggest is perhaps tying the vote between myself and whomever is the village's consensus for top suspect, and then doing that thing where we ask the dead to give their extra vote to X if A is innocent or Y if A is guilty. More thoughts on the execution (har har) of that plan later if people are interested in such an idea.

I'm off to do some reading.

06-06-2015, 07:17 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	kath never posts much but she is keeping such a low profile that I wonder if it is deliberate, Morm what exactly has made you suspicious the querying of a broken link or finding unneccesarily oblique posts tedious. Were you planning to postulate a theory through the medium of interpretative dance and fear the opprobrium? Anyway I should be glad ot be notice I suppose, for the first couple of days I though I was on everyone's ignore list... not that I could blame anyone for that. anyway satisfy my curiosity or not.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-06-2015, 07:53 AM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Just a couple of points: After Kuru's rule clarification I am not for lynching a Lover; the risk outweighs the benefit. Not sure what to make of Boro's adamant refusal to even consider a move which could give the village secure information; we all know we have to lynch wolves, but there are different means to these ends. I dislike Form's post from today: he parrots Nerwen, calling me 'cryptic,' (not really sure why this idea is gaining traction) and the rest of his post is also re-hashing of an idea from yesterday. You're moving up the suspicion list, esteemed Warg scholar though you may be. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-06-2015, 08:27 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The Legate-as-Seer theory, based on his Day 2 list, needs to be checked against his Day 1 list. Green was the sole serious suspect both days. Nerwen, Lommy and Mith were alone as innocents on Day 2, but were all in the innocent pile on Day 1 as well - along with a bunch of other people. So if Legate is the Seer, did he dream Green on the first night? Why then would he spend both his dreams on people he found innocent? Very unlikely. On the other hand, he might have just got very lucky (or is very good at hunting!) in focusing on Green on Day 1 and confirming his correct suspicion the next night. This is more likely but still a bit of a long shot. Rikae's focus on Loslote on Day 2 seems more Seerish. She puts great effort into making a case against her (#338) while couching in the post prior that she wanted to take a closer look at Loslote and Firefoot. Interestingly, in that post (#325) she mentions exactly three names as innocents: Agan, Mac and Morm. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-06-2015, 08:38 AM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	On the Legate as Seer theory I googled the quotation he gave at the beginning of his first post( as I finally systematically trawl through and take notes aiee) "I sense evil within this place ... I hear foul creatures about" - it is from a computer game called Den of Evil (apologies if those who belong to a more likely demographic than me to know about such things are as familiar with this quote as "to be or not to be". It might just have been an opening day gimmick or it could have been a seer hint framed as such. And by the same token does anyone think Rune's opening strap line of Yankee Doodle Dandy has any relevance. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-06-2015, 08:41 AM	#9
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	In response to those asking about my intentions.... I'm certainly prepared to be lynched if such a thing is necessary, but I feel it might be better to give the dead one more Day to scry another person. At this point, I really just feel more information is necessary in general, and so I shall provide it. What I would suggest is perhaps tying the vote between myself and whomever is the village's consensus for top suspect, and then doing that thing where we ask the dead to give their extra vote to X if A is innocent or Y if A is guilty. More thoughts on the execution (har har) of that plan later if people are interested in such an idea. I'm off to do some reading. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

06-06-2015, 08:30 AM	#7
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	A proposal to guide the Dead vote: Since there are fifteen of us, there are almost enough of us to give each option (Nog good/bad, phantom good/bad, etc) two living people that the Dead could vote for. We can try to split it up so that each option has a more suspicious and a less suspicious player (though I doubt everyone will exactly agree on the categorization). The odd one out with only one choice can be Sally (I agree this would be a really strange wolf false-reveal). That way the Dead will have a little more room to send us an additional message if they want, or won't be forced to give the extra vote to someone they know is furry in order to send us the information we are asking for (at least, it will be less likely). For example: If Nog is a wolf, give your extra vote to Form or McCaber If Nog is innocent, give your extra vote to Lottie or Nerwen If phantom is a wolf, give your extra vote to Boro or Firefoot If phantom is innocent, give your extra vote to Lommy or Lal If Greenie is a wolf, give your extra vote to Eomer or morm If Greenie is innocent, give your extra vote to Nilp or shasta If Rune is a wolf, give your extra vote to Mith or Kath If Rune is innocent, give your extra vote to Sally I (almost) went straight down the list of Living, so I wasn't putting too much thought into the pairings, or who they're paired with. Wanted to put the idea out and see if people like it before putting too much effort in. Plus I'm sure others will have opinions. For the record, I'm starting to feel like morm is probably innocent. I'm agreeing with a lot of what he says. Boro is rising in my suspicions though. Something about his tone rubs me the wrong way (see posts 360 and 431). Don't know that it merits a lynching at this point; honestly it might just be that he's reminding me of a coworker who is irritating me right now, but I wanted to throw it out there.