Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kuruharan · 06-02-2015, 08:01 PM

The deadline has come. Please stop posting.

The narration will be up shortly.

Those who have NIGHTLY business, you know what to do.

Kuruharan · 06-02-2015, 08:15 PM

The debate raged long and hard throughout the DAY. Point and Counterpoint clashed in a rising crescendo as the inmates argued about their predicament, the meaning of life and death, and philosophy. I mean, if you Kant debate philosophy at a time like this, when can you? (Yes, I realize that was a terrible pun, I couldn't help myself).

Fortunately through it all, somehow, breakfast, lunch, and even dinner had been provided. Sadly, nobody saw how, or even realized it was happening in all the confusion.

Lucky thing too because the argument reached a frenzy rivaling that of an out-of-control roller coaster!

At last a gang of the inmates suddenly seized one of their number, seemingly out of nowhere, thrust him under the guillotine and pulled the lever.

CHOP

The head rolled on the floor.

It held no answers, only less blood than it had up till then.

Suddenly darkness fell and all were cast into sleep.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod

The Living:
Formendacil
Rikae
satansaloser2005
Macalaure
Gwathagor
McCaber
Loslote
Boromir88
Aganzir
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Firefoot
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Shastanis Althreduin
Legate of Amon Lanc
the phantom
Mithalwen
A Little Green
Kath

The Wolves may PM again, the Lovers continue to do so. The Seer dreams, the Hunter hunts, the Ranger...err ranges, and those with deep secrets keep them still.

Kuruharan · 06-03-2015, 08:07 PM

The NIGHT had been dark and full of terrors (I promise that is the last reference I will make...for at least a sentence or so).

Light filtered down into the deeps once more, and with it somehow came breakfast.

The inmates began stirring. It had been a hard NIGHT for all. Sleeping where one could find room had taken a toll on their bodies. There were aches and pains and grumblings all round. One individual had even developed a persistent itch due to the damp from the doors being permanently shut.

However, the NIGHT had been harder on some than on others. The inmates discovered that the phantom and Rune Son of Bjarne had been mauled to death in the NIGHT.

There was clearly still work to do.

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne

The Living:
Formendacil
Rikae
satansaloser2005
Macalaure
Gwathagor
McCaber
Loslote
Boromir88
Aganzir
Nerwen
Firefoot
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Shastanis Althreduin
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
A Little Green
Kath

The Wolves will stop PMing now. The Lovers may continue to do so.

As of toDAY somebody will have their vote doubled.

Rikae · 06-03-2015, 08:08 PM

Well, I guess that takes care of that.

Macalaure · 06-03-2015, 08:09 PM

I'm sure Nog and phantom will have some nice words for each other.

To be a fly on the wall.

Rikae · 06-03-2015, 08:18 PM

Ok, so, whatever the phantom was, his plan shall live on!

Although these guys don't actually know anyone's role to signal us about, yet, so it won't come into play until toMorrow. But anyhoo.

That was some wagon yesterDay, wasn't it? I'd say it deserves a closer look.

mormegil · 06-03-2015, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

I'm sure Nog and phantom will have some nice words for each other.

To be a fly on the wall.

My thoughts too!

I do agree with Rikae and was thinking that the Nog vote came out of the blue and was very quick to be picked up on. Those things tend to bother me. Here was Tummy's last count and I will add Sally...

Nilp -> Nilp
Rune -> Formendacil
Mormegil -> Macalaure
Lalaith -> Legate
Kath -> Formendacil 2
Aganzir -> Lommy
Lommy -> Aganzir
Legate -> A Little Green
Nogrod -> Aganzir 2
Form -> Form 3
Mith -> Agan 3
McCaber -> Agan 4
Firefoot -> Gwath
Boro -> Nog
Rikae -> Lommy 2
Mac -> Agan 5
TP -> Nog 2
Lottie -> Nog 3
Eomer -> Nog 4
Shasta -> Nog 5
Sally -> Nog 6

Sally sealed the fate but there was a lot and very quickly that led up to that. Agan looked like she would by lynched with 5 votes to everyone else who was maxed at 3 with Form (odd choice too) and then suddenly Nog got 5 votes to pass her up. I didn't think Nog looked all that odd to me. Agan looked at least a bit odd with the Lommy back and forth thing.

I'm trying to determine what this all means and I guess I'm talking myself though it by typing it out. We did have a couple of no votes. I think Gwath ( no post), Nerwen and Green...any others? I understand Day 1 can be a bit crazy but the no vote bothers me too. I suspect Gwath was busy or didn't realize it had started, so there is a pass card. However, Greenie, if I remember, came in sounded reasonable, was safe in her posts and left without a vote...odd to me.

x'ed with Sally Nerwen and Mac

Boromir88 · 06-03-2015, 09:11 PM

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But why was he killed? Just because he looked innocent (many argued with him, but I don't recall anyone suspecting him) and made himself the village leader? Possible. Or maybe there is in fact a wolf (or even two? wishful thinking) among his four suspects. Did Nogrod's mates take revenge? Did wolf-Lottie or wolf-Firefoot get nervous? Possible, but it doesn't seem likely.~Mac

Well, Number-cruncher, what do the odds say that none, one, or both victims were wolves?

the phantom did paint a large bulls-eye on his back:

Quote:

I'll be an asset to whatever thread I'm in, Noggie. If you really want me in the Dead thread...

Hey Wolves. Kill me tonight. Ranger. Do not protect me.

There. We'll see if that works.

McCaber · 06-03-2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

the phantom did paint a large bulls-eye on his back:

Yeah, that post was what I immediately thought of this Morning when I saw the lists. Some form of dramatic irony or something.

Nerwen · 06-03-2015, 10:16 PM

Rune

#35.

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Personally I am loving the idea of empowering the dead! It seems like a very barrow-wightish thing to do, and perhaps it could evolve into a religion of sorts.

If we chose to tie the vote, I doubt that we would risk loosing data for us to analyze at a later stage. After all there is more to pack-behavior and whatnot than voting patterns.

Sorry for the shoret cameo, I will return again later.

Okay, so from his very first post he advocates a deliberate tie. (Is also in favour of the plan for communicating with the Dead.)

#79.
Banter. Contains a line about how he enjoys “killing Europeans”. This is clearly a joke in context (referring back to Agan and morm's exchange at #67, #69), but I suppose a very paranoid pack might have jumped on it.

#93.

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

So we are not going for a tied non-lynch today?

But rather we are going to at least attempt to get a baddie?

What a splendid idea! We all know what an incredible success rate we have on day 1, and obviously a well meaning effort always gets rewarded. Since when did sincerity become an excuse for failure?

ehm... I guess what I am trying to say, is that I still quite fancy that non-lynch thingy.

Also I will have to vote quite soon.

Stronger support than before for the non-lynch. Gets all sarcastic.

#101.
Banter with Greenie. Might possibly have been taken as a hint or code of some kind. (I doubt it is, though.)

#105.

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikae
Who said anything about "good intentions"? I want people to use reasoning and intuition to vote intelligently. Day 1 too often seems like the day to lynch anyone who behaves erratically, which is, to my recollection, a really bad strategy. When we do catch a wolf based on their posts, it's usually more of a "seems fair and feels foul" situation.

I don't know if anybody used those words.

You want people to use intuition to vote intelligently?
Is there any meaningful way in which using your intuition, differentiates from reacting to erratic behaviour?

Sceptical of the possibility of “intelligent” Day One voting.

#106.

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

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Originally Posted by Nogrod
So Form, do you suggest we'd let the baddies kill each other first and not try lynching any of them? Just sit back as sacrificial lambs and wait whether they kill us all or whether they happen to kill each other first, or whether our gifteds save the day or tell us what to do?

Playing this game kind of means we villagers play it as well - and not only those who have roles will play it.

Pathos much?

They must be having an interesting time in the Dead Thread...

#108.

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I apologise for the successive posts.

I do really have to leave, and so will have to vote.

I can either vote Formendacil, since he volunteered, or I could vote for Greenie, since I do not care for the buddying up her and Nog is doing (also she mentioned Kant).

++Formendacil

Yup... I don't want to see Form gone, and I would be deeply saddened if this lead to his demise. Though I spoke ill about Greenie, I would hardly say that her actions merits the label "suspicious", "annoying" would be more fitting.

Second vote of the Day (first was Nilp's inevitable self-vote). It is also the only post of seven in which which he actually *says* anything, other than banter and arguing for a deliberate tie. As you
see, he expresses suspicion of Greenie and Nog, especially the former, but votes Form “because he volunteered”; stresses that he does not actually want Form lynched, and that he does not “really” suspect Greenie. This is fairly typical behaviour for a nervous Seer who has not yet dreamed a wolf and is afraid of dying early (which Rune often does) and having his words twisted after death. Taken with his jumpiness and obsession with the dangers of the lynch, I would say Rikae is likely correct that he was killed as a “gifted”. (An alternative, assuming #79 was taken as a double-bluff, was that he was killed a rival wolf.)

Further discussion points: If so, were the wolves right? And is Rik just guessing why he was killed, or does she know? (Really: it’s surprising how often a wolf will helpfully explain the reasoning behind the Night-kill…)

Edit: x'd since morm at #243; clarification; wrongly attributed opinion; highlighting.

McCaber · 06-03-2015, 09:23 PM

A look at the Rune Son:

Post 35: Backs everything that the phantom had just said about giving the dead thread options and about tying the lynch on Day 1.

Post 79: Garbage post about the amount of conversation. Still mentions being in favor of phantom's plan.

Post 93: Again trying to get a drawn vote, using our lack of previous Day 1 success as evidence.

Post 101: Thinks little of Kant.

Post 105: Critiquing Rikae's point of view as to how wolves are Fenris'd on Day 1s.

Post 106: Criticizes Nogrod's pro-lynch arguments as overly emotional.

Post 108: Votes Formy "because he volunteered", and immediately regrets it in the same post. I think he was trying to draw the vote here as he said he wanted.

So the village lynches Nogrod, and the wolves in the night kill the two people who seemed to disagree with him the most. Or at least one who disagreed and one who backed his arguments. I'm still not sure what to make of it, to be honest.

satansaloser2005 · 06-03-2015, 09:36 PM

Sorry for the delay. I got hugely distracted (and also sleepy).

Runesky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Personally I am loving the idea of empowering the dead! It seems like a very barrow-wightish thing to do, and perhaps it could evolve into a religion of sorts.

If we chose to tie the vote, I doubt that we would risk loosing data for us to analyze at a later stage. After all there is more to pack-behavior and whatnot than voting patterns.

Speaking here in (albeit mild) support of tying the lynch vote, which I still find a suspicious stance to take (more on why in a moment). He is also in favor of empowering the dead, which strikes me as neither innocent nor guilty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

So we are not going for a tied non-lynch today?

But rather we are going to at least attempt to get a baddie?

What a splendid idea! We all know what an incredible success rate we have on day 1, and obviously a well meaning effort always gets rewarded. Since when did sincerity become an excuse for failure?

ehm... I guess what I am trying to say, is that I still quite fancy that non-lynch thingy.

Also I will have to vote quite soon.

Bolding mine. Especially given his clarification here, I find his support of the no-lynch idea rather suspicious. Rather than take the chance of getting a baddie, he prefers we kill no one until the wolves strike in the Night. Better to kill no one at all than to have the possibility of a wolf being killed. (I'm stretching slightly, but note that he never mentions we could lynch an innocent by mistake. He only mentioned baddies.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I can either vote Formendacil, since he volunteered, or I could vote for Greenie, since I do not care for the buddying up her and Nog is doing (also she mentioned Kant).

++Formendacil

Yup... I don't want to see Form gone, and I would be deeply saddened if this lead to his demise. Though I spoke ill about Greenie, I would hardly say that her actions merits the label "suspicious", "annoying" would be more fitting.

"I'm going to vote Form, but I don't want him to die."

In fairness, no one wants to see anyone go on Day 1, but it is of course necessary. Still, stating it in that way doesn't sit right with me. I have a couple of ideas on why this exchange may have occurred, but with so little information, it's impossible to get a better feel for the situation.

Conclusion: Where wolf? (I'm leaning toward thinking he was sniped by one of the wolf packs for being a potential rival.)

x'd since my last

mormegil · 06-03-2015, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Sorry for the delay. I got hugely distracted (and also sleepy).

Runesky

Speaking here in (albeit mild) support of tying the lynch vote, which I still find a suspicious stance to take (more on why in a moment). He is also in favor of empowering the dead, which strikes me as neither innocent nor guilty.

Bolding mine. Especially given his clarification here, I find his support of the no-lynch idea rather suspicious. Rather than take the chance of getting a baddie, he prefers we kill no one until the wolves strike in the Night. Better to kill no one at all than to have the possibility of a wolf being killed. (I'm stretching slightly, but note that he never mentions we could lynch an innocent by mistake. He only mentioned baddies.)

"I'm going to vote Form, but I don't want him to die."

In fairness, no one wants to see anyone go on Day 1, but it is of course necessary. Still, stating it in that way doesn't sit right with me. I have a couple of ideas on why this exchange may have occurred, but with so little information, it's impossible to get a better feel for the situation.

Conclusion: Where wolf? (I'm leaning toward thinking he was sniped by one of the wolf packs for being a potential rival.)

x'd since my last

A very odd conclusion. I would imagine that the wolves would be much more concerned about getting the Seer early on as that is their greatest threat, it's what I would do. You are trying to make a case against a dead man, why? If anything, I would imagine that the wolves thought Rune was the Seer and now a Sallywolf is attempting to have us think differently. Sorry for no bolding, I'm using my phone and it's past bedtime. Goodnight

06-03-2015, 09:23 PM	#11
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	A look at the Rune Son: Post 35: Backs everything that the phantom had just said about giving the dead thread options and about tying the lynch on Day 1. Post 79: Garbage post about the amount of conversation. Still mentions being in favor of phantom's plan. Post 93: Again trying to get a drawn vote, using our lack of previous Day 1 success as evidence. Post 101: Thinks little of Kant. Post 105: Critiquing Rikae's point of view as to how wolves are Fenris'd on Day 1s. Post 106: Criticizes Nogrod's pro-lynch arguments as overly emotional. Post 108: Votes Formy "because he volunteered", and immediately regrets it in the same post. I think he was trying to draw the vote here as he said he wanted. So the village lynches Nogrod, and the wolves in the night kill the two people who seemed to disagree with him the most. Or at least one who disagreed and one who backed his arguments. I'm still not sure what to make of it, to be honest. __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

06-02-2015, 08:01 PM	#1
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Deadline The deadline has come. Please stop posting. The narration will be up shortly. Those who have NIGHTLY business, you know what to do. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

06-02-2015, 08:15 PM	#2
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	The First The debate raged long and hard throughout the DAY. Point and Counterpoint clashed in a rising crescendo as the inmates argued about their predicament, the meaning of life and death, and philosophy. I mean, if you Kant debate philosophy at a time like this, when can you? (Yes, I realize that was a terrible pun, I couldn't help myself). Fortunately through it all, somehow, breakfast, lunch, and even dinner had been provided. Sadly, nobody saw how, or even realized it was happening in all the confusion. Lucky thing too because the argument reached a frenzy rivaling that of an out-of-control roller coaster! At last a gang of the inmates suddenly seized one of their number, seemingly out of nowhere, thrust him under the guillotine and pulled the lever. CHOP The head rolled on the floor. It held no answers, only less blood than it had up till then. Suddenly darkness fell and all were cast into sleep. The Missing or Dead: Kuruharan Nogrod The Living: Formendacil Rikae satansaloser2005 Macalaure Gwathagor McCaber Loslote Boromir88 Aganzir Nerwen Rune Son of Bjarne Firefoot Thinlómien Lalaith Eomer of the Rohirrim mormegil Nilpaurion Felagund Shastanis Althreduin Legate of Amon Lanc the phantom Mithalwen A Little Green Kath The Wolves may PM again, the Lovers continue to do so. The Seer dreams, the Hunter hunts, the Ranger...err ranges, and those with deep secrets keep them still. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

06-03-2015, 08:07 PM	#3
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Day Two The NIGHT had been dark and full of terrors (I promise that is the last reference I will make...for at least a sentence or so). Light filtered down into the deeps once more, and with it somehow came breakfast. The inmates began stirring. It had been a hard NIGHT for all. Sleeping where one could find room had taken a toll on their bodies. There were aches and pains and grumblings all round. One individual had even developed a persistent itch due to the damp from the doors being permanently shut. However, the NIGHT had been harder on some than on others. The inmates discovered that the phantom and Rune Son of Bjarne had been mauled to death in the NIGHT. There was clearly still work to do. The Missing or Dead: Kuruharan Nogrod the phantom Rune Son of Bjarne The Living: Formendacil Rikae satansaloser2005 Macalaure Gwathagor McCaber Loslote Boromir88 Aganzir Nerwen Firefoot Thinlómien Lalaith Eomer of the Rohirrim mormegil Nilpaurion Felagund Shastanis Althreduin Legate of Amon Lanc Mithalwen A Little Green Kath The Wolves will stop PMing now. The Lovers may continue to do so. As of toDAY somebody will have their vote doubled. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

06-03-2015, 08:08 PM	#4
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Well, I guess that takes care of that.

06-03-2015, 08:09 PM	#5
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	I'm sure Nog and phantom will have some nice words for each other. To be a fly on the wall.

06-03-2015, 08:18 PM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Ok, so, whatever the phantom was, his plan shall live on! Although these guys don't actually know anyone's role to signal us about, yet, so it won't come into play until toMorrow. But anyhoo. That was some wagon yesterDay, wasn't it? I'd say it deserves a closer look.