"The Hobbit: There And Back Again" To be Renamed "The Battle of the Five Armies"

[Morthoron]

I was having an amusing battle on this thread (starting at post# 38):

http://newboards.theonering.net/foru...;so=ASC;mh=25;

Obviously, I am completely wrong in thinking that The Hobbit would have done just fine without the insertion of a female character, Tauriel.

And equally as obvious, an admin thinks I am being insulting. Amazing I've lasted on that forum since 2008 without banishment. Kudos to the moderators of the Barrow Downs for being...ummm...not immoderate.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Well, I'd come round to help you out, but seeing as I got banned for being "insulting" (you know what that means in TORN-speak), I'll have to sit tight.

[Tar-Jêx]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

I was having an amusing battle on this thread (starting at post# 38):

http://newboards.theonering.net/foru...;so=ASC;mh=25;

Obviously, I am completely wrong in thinking that The Hobbit would have done just fine without the insertion of a female character, Tauriel.

And equally as obvious, an admin thinks I am being insulting. Amazing I've lasted on that forum since 2008 without banishment. Kudos to the moderators of the Barrow Downs for being...ummm...not immoderate.

Trying to stay on TORN is like living in a country with an incredibly corrupt government. I have no idea how you've done it, but that's an achievement.

I'm so incredibly glad that our moderators and admins on here are actually doing their job, rather than abusing power and banning people with opposing opinions.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Tar-Jêx

Trying to stay on TORN is like living in a country with an incredibly corrupt government. I have no idea how you've done it, but that's an achievement.

That seems very masochistic though.

Here, I made a thing for tonight:

[Aiwendil]

Originally Posted by Tar-Jex

Fanboy-ism is often disgusting to observe. Someone is defending a film, or book, despite it's clear flaws. That's like small scale (and not nearly as bad) holocaust denial. For someone to ignore all the faults and praise PJ's movies as the greatest things to man, they must either be; immature, or can't understand other opinions for some strange reason.

I think that comparing fans of the films to Holocaust deniers is kind of crossing a line that oughtn't be crossed. I rather dislike the Hobbit films, and I have tons of criticisms of Peter Jackson's work; I may even sometimes think that those who unabashedly love the films are less sophisticated in their tastes than I am (whatever that might mean). But I do not think they are 'disgusting', nor that they are even the least bit like Holocaust deniers. Holocaust denial is, I would say, morally culpable; to deny the Holocaust is wrong, both factually and morally. To like a movie a lot despite what other people see as serious flaws? At most, I could see an argument that that is wrong artistically, but even that is questionable on semantic and philosophical grounds.

[Nerwen]

Just been revisiting these old movie threads. Ah, the nostalgia... the sweet, long lost time of innocence.... when we naively doubted the rumours...

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

We should start a betting pool on how many of the spoilers are real.

I'm all in on they are.

Well, congratulations! We have a winner!

However:

Originally Posted by Aiwendil

I think that comparing fans of the films to Holocaust deniers is kind of crossing a line that oughtn't be crossed. I rather dislike the Hobbit films, and I have tons of criticisms of Peter Jackson's work; I may even sometimes think that those who unabashedly love the films are less sophisticated in their tastes than I am (whatever that might mean). But I do not think they are 'disgusting', nor that they are even the least bit like Holocaust deniers. Holocaust denial is, I would say, morally culpable; to deny the Holocaust is wrong, both factually and morally. To like a movie a lot despite what other people see as serious flaws? At most, I could see an argument that that is wrong artistically, but even that is questionable on semantic and philosophical grounds.

I'm quoting this because it's still relevant, and is a point that should be made more often. Godwinisms aside, "anti-fans" who work themselves into rages at people for daring to like something they don't are just as bad as obsessed fanboys- in fact they're basically a mirror image of each other. It can be interesting to watch the hype-backlash cycle unfold- remember when the internet collectively tore strips off anyone who *didn't* praise AUJ?- but it's not good to allow oneself to get caught up in it, in either phase.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, congratulations! We have a winner!

What do I get?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

What do I get?

Your choice of our wide range of quality Morgul™ products! We recommend the Morgul™ Home Cinema System! Imagine watching "The Hobbit" 24/7 in 4k Ultra HD and Nazgul™ 5.1 surround sound!

(Actually you won't have to imagine it, as the Morgul™ Home Cinema System is locked to playing the "Hobbit" trilogy exclusively, on an endless loop, and cannot be turned off.)