Two truths and a lie...

[Tar-Jêx]

1. By the time Bilbo has found the ring, Saruman had already betrayed the White Council
2. In Riddles in the Dark, Bilbo tells 5 riddles
3. Both of Mîm's sons died at Amon Rûdh

[Andsigil]

Originally Posted by Tar-Jêx

1. By the time Bilbo has found the ring, Saruman had already betrayed the White Council
2. In Riddles in the Dark, Bilbo tells 5 riddles
3. Both of Mîm's sons died at Amon Rûdh

1) I believe is true, as Saruman had already betrayed them in his heart, if not overtly.

2) is true, if you count, "What do I have in my pocket?" as a riddle. Gollum did (but wanted 3 guesses... and actually took 4).

3) I think is the lie. I remember one son died at Amon Rûdh, but wasn't the other MIA?

[Tar-Jêx]

Originally Posted by Andsigil

1) I believe is true, as Saruman had already betrayed them in his heart, if not overtly.

2) is true, if you count, "What do I have in my pocket?" as a riddle. Gollum did (but wanted 3 guesses... and actually took 4).

3) I think is the lie. I remember one son died at Amon Rûdh, but wasn't the other MIA?

Incorrect. Khîm was wounded by Turin's men, but succumbed to his wounds in Amon Rûdh. At least, that was one version of the story. There have been quite a few iterations of the story, but I believe in the most recently published edition, Khîm died at his home.

[Tar-Verimuchli]

Originally Posted by Tar-Jêx

Incorrect. Khîm was wounded by Turin's men, but succumbed to his wounds in Amon Rûdh. At least, that was one version of the story. There have been quite a few iterations of the story, but I believe in the most recently published edition, Khîm died at his home.

His other son, Ibun, doesn't die in Amon Rudh (or, at least, is not stated to have died there), he's captured by orcs but not mentioned after although later Mim says to Hurin that he is the last of his people.

[Tar-Jêx]

Originally Posted by Tar-Verimuchli

His other son, Ibun, doesn't die in Amon Rudh (or, at least, is not stated to have died there), he's captured by orcs but not mentioned after although later Mim says to Hurin that he is the last of his people.

Ibun died in the Sack of Amon Rudh, leading the reader to believe that he was killed their. His fate was vague, and it's probably different through all of the versions.

Bilbo and Gollum were both in internal agreement that his fifth questions was not a riddle, even though they went along with it and treated it like one.

[Tar-Verimuchli]

Originally Posted by Tar-Jêx

Ibun died in the Sack of Amon Rudh, leading the reader to believe that he was killed their. His fate was vague, and it's probably different through all of the versions.

The Silmarillion just says that Ibun and Mim are captured by orcs while looking for roots away from Amon Rudh then doesn't mention Ibun again apart from Mim's statement to Hurin when they meet in Nargothrond that he is the last of his people. In The Children of Hurin, Mim and Ibun deliberately betray the outlaws to the orcs who insist on holding Ibun hostage and are said to have no intention of keeping their side of the bargain. Mim then tries to kill Beleg at Amon Rudh but Ibun is not mentioned. The Unfinished Tales skips the events at Amon Rudh. It's reasonable to conclude from the Silmarillion and the Children of Hurin that the orcs hold Ibun hostage away from Amon Rudh to make sure that Mim keeps to his side of the bargain then kill him after the sack.

[Tar-Jêx]

Originally Posted by Tar-Verimuchli

The Silmarillion just says that Ibun and Mim are captured by orcs while looking for roots away from Amon Rudh then doesn't mention Ibun again apart from Mim's statement to Hurin when they meet in Nargothrond that he is the last of his people. In The Children of Hurin, Mim and Ibun deliberately betray the outlaws to the orcs who insist on holding Ibun hostage and are said to have no intention of keeping their side of the bargain. Mim then tries to kill Beleg at Amon Rudh but Ibun is not mentioned. The Unfinished Tales skips the events at Amon Rudh. It's reasonable to conclude from the Silmarillion and the Children of Hurin that the orcs hold Ibun hostage away from Amon Rudh to make sure that Mim keeps to his side of the bargain then kill him after the sack.

I see, however, that doesn't change that he died during the Sack of Amon Rudh, just not directly at Amon Rudh. If I worded the questions so that it asked whether both sons had died surrounding the events of the Sack of Amon Rudh, it would be a lot clearer, however, would make it too obvious.

Either way, the intended lie was that Bilbo told 5 riddles, as "What is in my pocket...?" is not a proper riddle.