Is Thorin to remain alive?

[tom the eldest]

No offense,but who schrödinger?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by tom the eldest

No offense,but who schrödinger?

Schrodinger is a scientist, but is most famous for his philosophical parable or thought experiment of the cat. Without too many details, the experiment goes like this. In a box, you put a cat, a bottle of cyanide (poison), and a source of radiation (lamp or anything else that radiates). The box is closed, and you cannot see inside. When a radiation particle hits the cyanide bottle, it breaks, spilling out the poison and killing the cat. You don't know if the cat is alive or dead without looking inside the box, and there is no "in between" state. It's not like he's 50% alive. So he must be 100% alive, but at the same time 100% dead, and both are true. When you look inside the box, the cat is either one or the other, but not both. When you cannot see him, he must be thought of as both.

Why is Haldir a Shrodinger's Elf, though? Because he's alive in the books but dead in the movies?

[Mithalwen]

Yep. Though. I appreciate that it isn't a flawless paralel since it depends on where you look.. but it amuses me..little thing and so forth

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Schrodinger is a scientist, but is most famous for his philosophical parable or thought experiment of the cat. Without too many details, the experiment goes like this. In a box, you put a cat, a bottle of cyanide (poison), and a source of radiation (lamp or anything else that radiates). The box is closed, and you cannot see inside. When a radiation particle hits the cyanide bottle, it breaks, spilling out the poison and killing the cat. You don't know if the cat is alive or dead without looking inside the box, and there is no "in between" state. It's not like he's 50% alive. So he must be 100% alive, but at the same time 100% dead, and both are true. When you look inside the box, the cat is either one or the other, but not both. When you cannot see him, he must be thought of as both.

Why is Haldir a Shrodinger's Elf, though? Because he's alive in the books but dead in the movies?

Hmmm...then this must be Schrödinger's Hobbit. You don't know if it's Tolkien or not. It can't be both. It has all the Tolkien characters, but it has characters that have nothing to do with the original story. It's allegedly about the hobbit Bilbo Baggins, but his plot points are minimized, usually by gravity-defying Matrix elves.

Damn that Schrödinger!

[Lotrelf]

I feel PJ exaggerates a lot. AUJ had lots of "exaggerated" stuff too. Wars, Wargs, Orcs etc. were way too much. Thorin being kind of a jerk is also a part of the exaggeration that movie makers are giving us. Hopefully this news is ACTUALLY false, and they keep the spirit of Professor's work alive.

[Mithalwen]

Frankly the only one of the films (lotr I haven't seen the hobbit) that really did was FOTR ...downhill all the way after.

[Faramir Jones]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Frankly the only one of the films (lotr I haven't seen the hobbit) that really did was FOTR ...downhill all the way after.

You're right Mithalwen. While FotR was mostly watchable, though I had problems with it, things started to go downhill in The Two Towers. To give three examples: Arwen going to leave Middle-earth then changing her mind; Saruman's curing of Theoden looking like something out of The Exorcist; and Grima Wormtongue resembling Marilyn Manson.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Lotrelf

Hopefully this news is ACTUALLY false, and they keep the spirit of Professor's work alive.

That, I think, is long dead, but they might at least keep some of the basic original plot points intact.

[tom the eldest]

Thorin remains alive would bena serious plothole in lotr as well.battle of dale would be different,maybe with thorin died defending bard instead of dain,who instead would be king of the mountain after thorin.and because thorin isnt as wise as dain,he would probably atempt a full scale invasion of moria.that wouldnt go well(im sorry if there wrong detail)