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Old 04-19-2014, 12:46 PM   #1
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It is I suppose possible that Gondor at the height of its maritime potency under the "Ship-Kings" would have had the capacity. But the desire?

Note though that even when Royal Gondor was decaying, after the Kinslaying, the Plague and the Wainriders, nonetheless the fleet and army Earnil sent to Arnor's aid, too late, was a still force of size and power almost unimaginable in the North.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:06 PM   #2
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It is I suppose possible that Gondor at the height of its maritime potency under the "Ship-Kings" would have had the capacity. But the desire?

Note though that even when Royal Gondor was decaying, after the Kinslaying, the Plague and the Wainriders, nonetheless the fleet and army Earnil sent to Arnor's aid, too late, was a still force of size and power almost unimaginable in the North.
The woods at the southern jungles maybe enough factor for gondor to conquerd the land.afterall,the need wood for everything.fuel,ships,houses,all of those are made of wood.and also,maybe there are precious gems,rich iron veins,and many more,even mithril in the south.that should be enough for th3 gondorians.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:47 PM   #3
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Don't forget all the Mumakil and such. We know elves sometimes used ivory, I imagine Gondorians would too. Plus since we are talking of jungles, some of those woods would probably be rich hardwoods; fine materials for the construction of ariticles and ornaments for the houses of the rich and noble (they have lebethron on thier home turf, which is sort of like ebony, but there are undoubtedly other rare and costly woods in ME). The Gondorians were already haughty by this period; a love of fine things would no doubt come with it.
Probably there would be a deep demand for spices and incenses as well. Considering themselves the inheritors of "True" Numenorian culture, I imagine the Gondorians would be big into fragrances, so they could pretend they were still living there and smelling fragrant breezes from Nisimaldar. So anything that smelled nice would probably be valuable there bigtime.
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:17 AM   #4
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Don't forget all the Mumakil and such. We know elves sometimes used ivory, I imagine Gondorians would too. Plus since we are talking of jungles, some of those woods would probably be rich hardwoods; fine materials for the construction of ariticles and ornaments for the houses of the rich and noble (they have lebethron on thier home turf, which is sort of like ebony, but there are undoubtedly other rare and costly woods in ME). The Gondorians were already haughty by this period; a love of fine things would no doubt come with it.
Probably there would be a deep demand for spices and incenses as well. Considering themselves the inheritors of "True" Numenorian culture, I imagine the Gondorians would be big into fragrances, so they could pretend they were still living there and smelling fragrant breezes from Nisimaldar. So anything that smelled nice would probably be valuable there bigtime.
Nah,that would'nt work.news would have spreaded from the haradrim and corsairsnthat numenor has sunk and gondor is now much weaker than numenor.so when they pretend they still in numenor,the southern people will say"how are you still live in numenor when the island has sunk into the sea?".
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Old 04-20-2014, 06:36 AM   #5
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Never discount the power of self-delusion. Obviosly, they DON'T live in Numenor anymore, and can't. And that is why the urge to PRETEND they did would probably be so strong. I suppose I put that wrong; it isn't so much a desire of Gondorians to LIVE in Numenor as much as a desire to MAKE Gondor seem as much LIKE Numenor as they can. Make thier buildings look like the old ones and make their houses SMELL like the old ones. I didn't mean that actual Numenorians had any paricular love of perfumes (they may have, or they may not). I meant that, in Numenor, the air probably smelled perfumed NATURALLY (since they had a whole huge forest of fragrant trees). Having the air smell like that probably became part of what the men of Numenor considered to be PART of being a Numenorian. So when they settled in Gondor, which DIDN'T have those fragrant forests, there would probably be a great demand for items they could use to replicate the smell. Especially since I recall that most of those trees were originally gifts from the Elves of Aman, so the sweet smell was probably equated with them (and thier immortality). All I meant was that Gondorians probably liked things that smelled nice when burned, and since there are probably things like that growing in the jungles of the South, They would be another item that the men of Gondor might want enough to justify trying to conquer. In our world, wars and conquests have been waged over spices, why not in ME?
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Well,actually,the question refer to not only go dor,but other as well.now,dwarves cant invade them,we sure,but could the elves,maybe from lindon?or maybe the easterlings?its not just about gondor,its about other nations too.now about gondpr,they maybe able to fool the southrons,but even though the invasion force is massive,they are in unfamiliar territorry.the gondorians,as far as i can tell,NEVER fought in highly densed forest area.ithilien ranger maybe quite useful,but they still dont know the terrain on which they fought in.and the southrons also can use guerilla,and can easily counter the rangers.
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Okay, so you're talking about the Third Age.

Well, I don't think there were enough Elves or Dwarves around to do any conquering to speak of- Gondor, however, is another matter. At the height of its power it *did* dominate Harad: "[Hyarmendacil's] armies utterly defeated the Men of Harad, and their kings were compelled to acknowledge the overlordship of Gondor." "...the kings of the Harad did homage to Gondor, and their sons lived as hostages in the court of its King." (Appendix A.). However, I don't think there's any hint that Gondor actually set up colonies there.

As for wars between the Haradrim and the Easterlings- well, we can't know anything about that, because the story is concerned with the west of Middle-earth. Again- you're asking for information that isn't there.
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