How to Make a Ringwraith versus Extending the Elven Body--an Elven Ring - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Ivriniel · 02-26-2014, 05:33 PM

These are great materials. I really enjoyed reading them. The Elvish intention for their Rings of Power does seem to be clear from Tolkien's Letters, which are materials I respect.

I still have a difficulty with whether or not this meant that Annatar worked with the Elves for a separate group of Rings, that the Gwaith-i-Mirdain worked on with Annatar, and that were meant for other races. That is, I'm still processing the materials about the intention of the Rings of Power, and who the Rings were to be Gifted to. Nine for the Mortal Men Doomed to Die, Seven for the Dwarf Lords in their Halls of Stone, and all that. The famous poem implies a lot about Ring Lore.

The materials from Tolkien and Letters has to be taken as compelling though, stating that the Rings of Power, as intentioned by the Elves, was to develop seclusionist realms, governed by a Ring of Power, for Elvish purposes. What I'm struggling with is that there really are and were not 19 eligible Elf Lords really that were considered worthy of a Ring of Power at the time Celebrimbor lived. We had Cirdan, Elrond, and Galadriel. I don't see any other Elven eligibles in TA, respecting that it is often stated in the mythology that the Noldorin High Kingship and all the Eldar of the royal line in Middle Earth copped it over the years, with most of the losses incurred in the First Age. The Gwaith-i-Mirdain knew that, and also knew there were 'many' Rings of Power, and so, I'm looking to understand (even still) what the Elvish intention was, in any assistance they rendered to Annatar in the forging of the Nine and the Seven. Who were those Rings made *for* and *by whom*, exactly, were they made?

I wonder whether Annatar made the Nine and the Seven, but in tutelage of Celebrimbor and the Gwaith i Mirdain, or alteratively, 19 Rings of Power were, indeed, made to accommodate Elven imperialist ideas.

But, my emphasis, this thread is also about metaphysical concepts. When I say 'how to make a Ringwraith versus an Elven Ring', I'm tyring to codify the flow of metaphysical energies in the distinct Elven versus Evil artefacts. What I'm seeking to develop, is ideas about the 'what exactly' occurs to influence flesh, mind, spirit and blood, in the competing influences of different Rings of Power.

Where--exactly--are the core differences in 'metaphysical flow' of an Evil versus Elvish Ring of Power?

02-26-2014, 05:33 PM	#8
Ivriniel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 430	These are great materials. I really enjoyed reading them. The Elvish intention for their Rings of Power does seem to be clear from Tolkien's Letters, which are materials I respect. I still have a difficulty with whether or not this meant that Annatar worked with the Elves for a separate group of Rings, that the Gwaith-i-Mirdain worked on with Annatar, and that were meant for other races. That is, I'm still processing the materials about the intention of the Rings of Power, and who the Rings were to be Gifted to. Nine for the Mortal Men Doomed to Die, Seven for the Dwarf Lords in their Halls of Stone, and all that. The famous poem implies a lot about Ring Lore. The materials from Tolkien and Letters has to be taken as compelling though, stating that the Rings of Power, as intentioned by the Elves, was to develop seclusionist realms, governed by a Ring of Power, for Elvish purposes. What I'm struggling with is that there really are and were not 19 eligible Elf Lords really that were considered worthy of a Ring of Power at the time Celebrimbor lived. We had Cirdan, Elrond, and Galadriel. I don't see any other Elven eligibles in TA, respecting that it is often stated in the mythology that the Noldorin High Kingship and all the Eldar of the royal line in Middle Earth copped it over the years, with most of the losses incurred in the First Age. The Gwaith-i-Mirdain knew that, and also knew there were 'many' Rings of Power, and so, I'm looking to understand (even still) what the Elvish intention was, in any assistance they rendered to Annatar in the forging of the Nine and the Seven. Who were those Rings made for and by whom, exactly, were they made? I wonder whether Annatar made the Nine and the Seven, but in tutelage of Celebrimbor and the Gwaith i Mirdain, or alteratively, 19 Rings of Power were, indeed, made to accommodate Elven imperialist ideas. But, my emphasis, this thread is also about metaphysical concepts. When I say 'how to make a Ringwraith versus an Elven Ring', I'm tyring to codify the flow of metaphysical energies in the distinct Elven versus Evil artefacts. What I'm seeking to develop, is ideas about the 'what exactly' occurs to influence flesh, mind, spirit and blood, in the competing influences of different Rings of Power. Where--exactly--are the core differences in 'metaphysical flow' of an Evil versus Elvish Ring of Power? Last edited by Ivriniel; 02-26-2014 at 05:38 PM.