T-I-G CIV: Spambot Apocalypse (Game Thread)

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf.

Problem: no, we don't. Boro might be a cobbler, and from your perspective I could be one too.

Now I really have to go, else no chance of seeing me before DL.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Problem: no, we don't. Boro might be a cobbler, and from your perspective I could be one too.

Now I really have to go, else no chance of seeing me before DL.

That's true, in the technical sense. However, we have one of your dreams being Morsul, who came out as the Hunter before you mentioned dreaming him, which is a point in your favor as far as I'm concerned - and on the other end of the spectrum we have BG who is tooth-and-nail defending Boro, the other Seer claim. I don't recall if she's been a Cobbler before, but I could definitely see her actions being those of a first-time Cobbler desperately throwing her lot in with someone she believes is a wolf.

[Blind Guardian]

Either you're a wolf and he's a hacker or he's a wolf and you're the hacker.

First off, all of your "fake reveals" and jokes. IRL I'm less likely to trust someone that keeps changing their opinions. Especially since the first thing you said was "I am a wolf" and then admitted that you would actually do something like that.

If I was a wolf I would totally pretend to be someone I wasn't from the beginning and sow confusion amongst the innocents. If I was a seer I wouldn't tell/hint any one anything until the last possible moment.

I never saw any clue about his hunting abilities.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

That's true, in the technical sense. However, we have one of your dreams being Morsul, who came out as the Hunter before you mentioned dreaming him, which is a point in your favor as far as I'm concerned - and on the other end of the spectrum we have BG who is tooth-and-nail defending Boro, the other Seer claim. I don't recall if she's been a Cobbler before, but I could definitely see her actions being those of a first-time Cobbler desperately throwing her lot in with someone she believes is a wolf.

I'm not "tooth-and-nail" for him. I personally don't trust G55, I've stated it multiple times now. First I saw her as the Cobbler, now I just see a wolf trying to protect a Cobbler.

++Galadriel55

I quite frankly don't care if you guys lynch me. At this point the wolves will pretty much win anyways.

1 Hacker, 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, 2 Wolves and 2 Villages (or 3 Wolves, 1 Villager)

If I'm the Hacker that leaves you guys with 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, 2 villagers and 2 Wolves. Baddies: 2, Villagers: 4 (+1 nightkill = 3 Villagers)

If I'm the Seer and they're both lying, 1 Hacker, 2 Wolves, 1 Hunter, and 2 Villagers. Baddies: 3, Villagers: 3 (+1 nightkill = 2 Villagers)

If I'm the Hunter that leaves 1 Seer, 2 Villagers, 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves. (Baddies: 3, villagers: 3) + night kill = 2

If I am a villager: 1 Seer, 1 Villager, 1 Hunter, 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves (Baddies: 3, Villager: 3) + nightkill = 2

And If I'm a wolf: 1 Seer, 1 Villager, 1 Hunter, 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves. (Baddies: 3, Villager: 3) + nightkill = 2

If we kill of Boro, the Wolves kill G55. If we kill G55 (and she's a seer), then who will the Wolves kill (implying Boro is evil)? If we kill Boro (and he's evil), the Wolves kill G55 anyways. Let's just get this over with. If you guys kill me, the wolves kill G55.

Good night you guys, girls, and bots. Hopefully I see you toMorrow.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boro

But right at the start of the day G55 claims she's the seer. I knew then she's the hacker feeling now was the best time to sacrifice herself. I didn't want to reveal until she gave the full fake claims, because I knew it was a hacker attempt to draw me out.

In the situation we're in, if you truly are the real Seer, you should have countered the instant G55 revealed as the Seer. We had no reason not to believe G55 - we're at the point in the game where the Seer basically has to come forward with information, so saying you were trying to avoid being drawn out by the Hacker is silly.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by BG

I'm not "tooth-and-nail" for him. I personally don't trust G55, I've stated it multiple times now. First I saw her as the Cobbler, now I just see a wolf trying to protect a Cobbler.

I sometimes wonder if you read what you post, BG. Why on earth would a Wolf put it all on the line to protect a Cobbler?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok, just to let you folks know that I am around and reading. I am past G55's lists of dreamed people, I just glimpsed who is being voted so far. Personally I don't have anything against lynching Boro, in fact, I would probably have suggested that, although I want to read also what he has posted since I last read the thread. BG likewise puzzles me, but we'll see. I am inclined to believe G55, obviously because I know I am innocent, therefore if she were a Hacker, either she would be a really badly-aiming one or just not using her full havoc-wreaking potential.

But more after I have actually read everything.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it seems things have cleared pretty much now in many ways. I had not even read Boro's counter-reveal before posting the previous, and now

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Night 1 I dreamed Rune ordo.
Night 2 I dreamed G55 ordo, but it's abundantly clear now she's the hacker.
Night 3 I dreamed Legate...and he turned up Spammy.

Which is a nonsense, obviously. Hats off to Boro, but .

For a Seer, once they have a Wolf, there is NO reason to stay hidden. If they don't have anyone, like G55 said, then there is some logic to waiting a bit and trying to get a bit more info. But when you have a Wolf, and ESPECIALLY after a Seer reveal? NO real Seer would have remained quiet after that, IF they had a Wolf! What if people started to vote? The whole timing was set by G55, she asked people to hold their votes until she came back. Why would you wait?

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Oh I know. But now we have 2 people claiming to be the Seer and the second looks a lot better than you. I stand by you being the hacker, helping a potential wolf. That quote backs it up for me.

Okay, now I am confused. So I wonder if BG is a Hacker. Boro could be one as well, or that was my question... but I think G55 might have something in her post, where she is debating that a Wolf-Boro might have counter-revealed at this point as well. Or then BG is just totally confused innocent (but I personally hope not).

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And now Boro has claimed Seer. I think I'm still going to have to go with G55, though. The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf. Which means we haven't lost quite yet - if we do pick wrong today (I don't think we're going to, but the possibility is there) we ought to have one more shot tomorrow, unless I'm doing my math wrong.

Precisely my thoughts. (Note that this does not mean Shasta can't be the remaining Bot, but at least here the thought is right.)

In any case, I am pretty sure voting Boro at this point is the right thing. Will do so in a minute, unless there are any other thoughts or reasons why not to do so. But I think we should not spread our votes any more anyway.

[Morsul the Dark]

++BORO

Shasta's right should've countered immediately, If you are the SEER then that was poor timing.