Should she glow?

[Lalaith]

Ah, a nice nerdy discussion about healing, just what I was hoping for!

That's a very good point about Glorfindel.
But I suppose it could depend on whether a fragment of the blade was in the wound. In Frodo´s case, not only was there a fragment but it had been there for two weeks, working its way close to his heart.
Kili´s wound was only a couple of days old. Maybe even a Silvan elf could heal Morgul wounds if caught early.

[cellurdur]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ah, a nice nerdy discussion about healing, just what I was hoping for!

That's a very good point about Glorfindel.
But I suppose it could depend on whether a fragment of the blade was in the wound. In Frodo´s case, not only was there a fragment but it had been there for two weeks, working its way close to his heart.
Kili´s wound was only a couple of days old. Maybe even a Silvan elf could heal Morgul wounds if caught early.

Perhaps, but I don't think an orc should have had such a weapon anyway.

Off topic, but I did not mind Tauriel's character. The only thing that annoyed me was the romance with Kili. The two are not even the same species.

[alatar]

Has anyone studied the effect of a "Morgul" arrow being used by a non-wraith?

Our studies, though not totally comprehensive, suggest that most of the "Morgul" weapons, with the exception of those used by one of the Nine, are in fact cheap knock offs made in Khand. They are simply over-priced standard issue poisoned weapons with great infomercials.

So any elf could heal the wound caused by such a weapon.

And note that when Arwen glowed, she wasn't healing Frodo, but just approaching him when he was in a very sickened state. Possibly just delirium.

[mark12_30]

Originally Posted by alatar

Has anyone studied the effect of a "Morgul" arrow being used by a non-wraith?

Our studies, though not totally comprehensive, suggest that most of the "Morgul" weapons, with the exception of those used by one of the Nine, are in fact cheap knock offs made in Khand. They are simply over-priced standard issue poisoned weapons with great infomercials.

So any elf could heal the wound caused by such a weapon.

And note that when Arwen glowed, she wasn't healing Frodo, but just approaching him when he was in a very sickened state. Possibly just delirium.

Alatar hast hit it. A splintering Morgul blade in the hand of Angmar is an epically bad weapon. Ringwraiths bring Black Breath. Morgul blades, I would imagine, channel that black breath like copper channels electrons. (If my Physics professors are reading this, this isn't me.)

Arrows are not swords. Orcs are not ringwraiths. So the healer didn't have to be varsity. She was healing poison, not black breath. I had no problem with that.

As far as the glowing... even in the woods of the Shire, the Wood elves glowed on the way to the Grey Havens. They weren't Glorfindel either (and if they were supposed to represent Gildor, well, they didn't...)

[Galadriel]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Kili´s wound was only a couple of days old. Maybe even a Silvan elf could heal Morgul wounds if caught early.

I think it's more a matter of Elrond and Aragorn actually being finely trained in the art of healing that makes a difference - not the fact that neither are Silvan elves. To think that all elves have access to that kind of education is kind of weird. Then again, as a lieutenant, or whatever Tauriel is, I assume she has some basic first-aid training. Not sure if that includes healing with athelas, though.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel

Then again, as a lieutenant, or whatever Tauriel is, I assume she has some basic first-aid training. Not sure if that includes healing with athelas, though.

In the FOTR book, Aragorn says of athelas that it "grows now sparsely and only near places where [Men of the West] dwelt or camped of old; and it is not known in the North, except to some of those who wander in the Wild".
I doubt Tauriel, or any of the Mirkwood Elves, ever came in contact with athelas. Sounds like more PJ finagling to provide filmgoers who haven't read the books with more "continuity" linking the new films with LOTR.

[Galadriel]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

In the FOTR book, Aragorn says of athelas that it "grows now sparsely and only near places where [Men of the West] dwelt or camped of old; and it is not known in the North, except to some of those who wander in the Wild".
I doubt Tauriel, or any of the Mirkwood Elves, ever came in contact with athelas. Sounds like more PJ finagling to provide filmgoers who haven't read the books with more "continuity" linking the new films with LOTR.

Thanks for the reference!

I think the "continuity" served to make the films rather trite, even if the effect was perhaps meant to offer familiarity. One of the main reasons I found TH such a weak film was the way it leaned so heavily on the LotR movies for support.

[Morthoron]

Of course Tauriel should glow. She is part of a planned Twilight crossover fan-fiction movie, where glowy elfesses and sparkly vampires battle for no other reason than because there will be enough cretins to waste money to watch it.

[Galadriel55]

I have watched the movie today. Didn't mean to; we were going to see a different one but it was sold out, so we stayed for The Hobbit, and now I can properly comment on this.

I don't mind her glowing. Whether it is Kili's delirium, a manifestation of her healing, or a good measure of skin care products, it's not the thing that worries me. I definitely agree that the whole morgul wound business is quite a fake. Seriously? It's not the Nazgul that have the "death power", quote unquote, but any itsy bitsy filthy orc? Ya right. That was a pretty random shot at a pretty random dwarf, just the same as any other arrow, and not more special than their swords, axes, and etc. Conclusion: they are all armed with morgul weapons. Absolutely. Very logical. And the kingsfoil business - once again, seriously? Firstly, how do the Dwarves think of using it? And, erm, doesn't it kind of defeat it's name and purpose: KINGsfoil? It's supposed to be used by Aragorn, what are they doing, having a Dwarf think of it and a sylvan Elf use it? Trash.

[Lalaith]

I don't know about kingsfoil being exclusively used by the kings of men, despite the name. "The hands of a king are the hands of a healer" means that kings are good at healing, but it doesn't mean that only a king can heal. I'm sure that the use of kingsfoil originated with the elves, particularly given that it has a Quenyan name as well as a Sindarin one - asëa aranion. Back in the days of Beleriand, Huan and Luthien used athelas to heal Beren, after all.
But I agree that for Oin to have such in-depth knowledge of it is bizarre.