Saruman - The Greatest Failing of the LOTR Adaptation - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 12-21-2013, 10:58 AM

Ahem, inzil Jesus was reembodied and sent back for albeit a short time according to scripture.

Inziladun · 12-21-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Ahem, inzil Jesus was reembodied and sent back for albeit a short time according to scripture.

Yes, but not to finish his mission. That's what I meant to get across.

Juicy-Sweet · 12-21-2013, 06:33 PM

I think Sauron is still an interesting villain. Mainly because in spite of his godlike powers he has many moments of únsecurity and fear.

Plus I always wondered if the eye hovering about Barad-Dur is his body, or if he has a body sitting on a throne somewhere and his spirit is somehow incarnated in the eye as well.

I like it is left so open - the whole idea of the chief villain being an eye hovering above his own castle, presumably only communicating by telepathy with his minions seems just weird. Yet it works. It would also work if the eye was maybe a technical-magical contraption, or something he could possess when he wanted to while his body would then sit lifeless in his throne.

Belegorn · 12-21-2013, 07:45 PM

That sounds like the mind-transfer Jutsu that Ino uses when she possesses someone else.

http://youtu.be/aUCvGs4YpUU

William Cloud Hicklin · 12-21-2013, 08:03 PM

"Why did the movies turn Saruman into Sauron's toady?"

Because here, as in some many other things, Jackson severely underestimates (that's the nice word) the intelligence of the audience. He (or Philippa) actually says as much in an interview, that they didn't think the audience could handle the "added complication" of Saruman as a freelancer rather than a minion.

Nikkolas · 12-22-2013, 10:30 PM

Well i just hope I'm not alone in thinking Saruman was Tolkien's best villain.

Rhod the Red · 12-27-2013, 06:55 AM

Well he WAS.

Only he had his own agenda, but it clashed with Sauron's. The rest is history

12-21-2013, 10:58 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Ahem, inzil Jesus was reembodied and sent back for albeit a short time according to scripture. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

12-21-2013, 07:45 PM	#4
Belegorn Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Henneth Annûn, Ithilien Posts: 462	That sounds like the mind-transfer Jutsu that Ino uses when she possesses someone else. http://youtu.be/aUCvGs4YpUU __________________ "For believe me: the secret for harvesting from existence the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment is - to live dangerously!" - G.S.; F. Nietzsche

12-21-2013, 08:03 PM	#5
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	"Why did the movies turn Saruman into Sauron's toady?" Because here, as in some many other things, Jackson severely underestimates (that's the nice word) the intelligence of the audience. He (or Philippa) actually says as much in an interview, that they didn't think the audience could handle the "added complication" of Saruman as a freelancer rather than a minion. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

12-27-2013, 06:55 AM	#7
Rhod the Red Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 257	Well he WAS. Only he had his own agenda, but it clashed with Sauron's. The rest is history __________________ Head of the Fifth Order of the Istari Tenure: Fourth Age(Year 1) - Present Currently operating in Melbourne, Australia

12-21-2013, 06:33 PM	#3
Juicy-Sweet Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 49	I think Sauron is still an interesting villain. Mainly because in spite of his godlike powers he has many moments of únsecurity and fear. Plus I always wondered if the eye hovering about Barad-Dur is his body, or if he has a body sitting on a throne somewhere and his spirit is somehow incarnated in the eye as well. I like it is left so open - the whole idea of the chief villain being an eye hovering above his own castle, presumably only communicating by telepathy with his minions seems just weird. Yet it works. It would also work if the eye was maybe a technical-magical contraption, or something he could possess when he wanted to while his body would then sit lifeless in his throne.

12-22-2013, 10:30 PM	#6
Nikkolas Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 55	Well i just hope I'm not alone in thinking Saruman was Tolkien's best villain.