PHANTASY FOOTBALL: Arda Cup 2013 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 06-04-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nilp

Oh, bother. I haven't made the logo yet. (It's kinda special cos in case many of you haven't noticed, we're five years old already!!!)

Oh, we need a logo!

Maybe for all the teams?

Is there anyone interested in making team logos or designing kits for the teams?

Nogrod · 06-04-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Is there anyone interested in making team logos or designing kits for the teams?

Well... to be honest, no one can do that alone. But if people had ideas and willingness to take on such a project we could do it together?

the phantom · 06-04-2013, 04:48 PM

Yes, quite right- confirming format.

The four teams in groups play one another (so three games). Three points for a win, one for a draw. After each has played its three matches, the two teams with the most points go to the playoffs. (Goal differential & goals scored are used as tie-breakers.)

The group winners host the first round of the playoffs, and are visited by group runner-ups. Group A winner plays Group H runner-up, Group B winner plays Group G runner up, Group C winner plays Group F runner up, and so on...

After posting the competition rules I will post the round 1 match-ups so you can start thinking about your selections as soon as possible. You'll have two rounds of friendlies to decide your teams and such.

the phantom · 06-04-2013, 07:17 PM

Selecting Your Team

Select your team members from the rosters available here. You will be awarded points according to how your players fare in their tournament games.

You must have one GK (goal keeper) and then you can use one of the following formations found below. (Formations listed as number of defenders, midfielders, and forwards, or DF-MF-FW)

5-4-1
4-5-1
3-6-1
4-4-2
4-3-3

In other words, if you choose 4-4-2, then you want to place 4 defenders, 4 midfielders, and 2 fowards on your team along with the goalie of your choice.

You may not choose more than 3 players from one single team (it will be allowed late in the playoffs).

Place a bolded "C" after one of your players-> C. This player will be your captain and will earn (or lose) you double points.

Some players have stars (*) before their names on the roster. You are allowed a total of FOUR stars on your roster. This number will increase as the tournament advances.

Players with a star are considered to be solid players with a higher likelihood of scoring than other players at that position. Players with 2 stars are the cream of the crop, and are the most likely to gain points at the position. The team an individual plays on, that team's philosophy, the player's name recognition, and past performance can all contribute somewhat to star status. There is no guarantee that star players will score more- it's just more likely.

If MFs or DFs are listed lower down the roster (towards the FWs), then they are generally more likely to find themselves involved in the scoring than those MFs or DFs listed higher up towards the GK. Of course, there is no guarantee MFs & DFs listed closer to FWs will score more, but their chances are typically better.

Note on trades- After the first two rounds of group play, you can draft a completely new team. Unlimited trades. After the third and final round of group play, you are allowed SEVEN trades. After the first playoff round, you are allowed only THREE trades. After the quarterfinals and semifinals you are allowed only TWO trades. Do not under any circumstances edit your old teams once play has started. If you want to trade a player, make a new post stating the trade and list your new team. (If any of that is unclear, watch the way other players do it and you'll get the idea very quickly.)

Scoring Points In Games

Rules for gaining points are as follows.

Goal by FW- 4 pts
Goal by MF- 5 pts
Goal by DF- 6 pts
Assist- 3 pts
Shutout, GK- 4 pts
Shutout, DF- 4 pts
Shutout, MF- 1 pt
Allows 1 goal, GK- 2 pts
Allows 1 goal, DF- 2 pts
3 GK saves- 2 pts
Yellow Card- -1 pts
Red Card- -3 pts

Scoring Points With Predictions

Take a blind shot in the dark at these questions, or read the various columns offered by our writers to help you decide how to answer. Either way, luck is involved. But don't skip this- if you happen to have a lucky day, these are worth a ton of points all together. (Just ask Nilp.)

5 POINT QUESTIONS

Who will score the most goals in the tournament?

Who will have the most assists in the tournament?

Which team will win the tournament?

Which goalkeeper will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament?

Which defender will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament?

Which midfielder will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament?

Which forward will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament?

GROUP PREDICTIONS

Predict the winner and runner up from each of the eight groups listed here. Predicting the winner is worth 3 points. The runner up is worth 1. If you select the correct two teams but have their positions reversed, you will be awarded 2 points.

BUY A TEAM

You can have a total salary of 100 million. The rosters with salaries again is listed here. Put together the highest scoring team you possibly can for 100 million or less. This team will not change throughout the tournament- it's just a one-time deal. At the finish of the tournament we'll see which person's 100-mill squad scored the most, and that person will gain 10 bonus points. Formations allowed are all those listed above, plus 3-4-3.
Please use no more than TWO players from one team.

the phantom · 06-04-2013, 07:21 PM

So that you know who your chosen players are going up against, the first round of group games are-

Armenelos vs The Havens
The Barrow-Downs vs Valimar

Inter Beleriand vs Dwarves United
AC Beleriand vs Gondolin

Hithlum vs Real Valinor
Shire-Bree United vs Doriath

Isengard vs FC Valinor
Barad-Dur vs Gondor

Eriador vs Misty Mts
Erebor vs Wilderland

Nargothrond vs Minas Tirith
Tirion vs The Sea

Angfauglith vs Imladris
Angband vs Tol-In-Gaurhoth

Mordor vs Rohan
Anduin vs Arnor

Inziladun · 06-04-2013, 07:39 PM

GK- *Ungoliant (Angband)
DF *Morgoth (Angband)
DF BoroWolf (TIG)
DF Aragorn (Eriador)
DF Luthien (Inter Beleriand)
MF *Elwe (Doriath) (C)
MF Hador (Hithlum)
MF Nazgul #5 (Isengard)
FW *Gothmog (Angfauglith)
FW Legolas (Dwarves United)
FW Elladan (Imladris)

Inziladun · 06-04-2013, 07:59 PM

Who will score the most goals in the tournament? -Elwe

Who will have the most assists in the tournament? -Glaurung

Which team will win the tournament? -Doriath

Which goalkeeper will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? -Ungoliant

Which defender will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? -Ulmo

Which midfielder will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? -Yavanna

Which forward will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? -Turin

Group A: Winner- The Havens
Runner Up- Valimar

Group B: Winner- Inter Beleriand
Runner Up- Gondolin

Group C: Winner- Doriath
Runner Up- Real Valinor

Group D: Winner- Barad-Dur
Runner Up- Gondor

Group E: Winner- Wilderland
Runner Up- Eriador

Group F: Winner- Tirion
Runner Up- The Sea

Group G: Winner- Angband
Runner Up- TIG

Group H: Winner- Mordor
Runner Up- Arnor

Galadriel55 · 06-17-2013, 06:39 PM

I think I won't wait till the very end of friendlies...

Unnamed Horror

GK *Tulkas (Real)
DF Celeborn (Anduin)
DF *Melian (Doriath)
DF Osse (The Sea)
DF Borowolf (TIG)
MF Nienor (Nargothrond)
MF Nerwight (TIG)
MF *Beren (Inter Beleriand)
FW Celegorm (FC Val)
FW *Curufin (FC Val)
FW Ar Pharazon (Armenelos)

Looking at my team... it sucks. There's a 93.47% chance I'll change about half of it before the real games even begin.

Boromir88 · 06-19-2013, 01:01 PM

I got a bit wordier with the TIG-Havens game than anticipated, but I just had a lot of fun writing the story for that one. Wolves and Wights! Huzzah!

(And well, I suppose if I thought that was wordy, just wait until I get the TTN shoes on and start writing tourney predictions.

)

the phantom · 06-19-2013, 03:52 PM

Starting tomorrow various tournament guides and publication predictions will be posted, so feel free to read those for fun or actually use them to help orient yourself- particularly if you are indecisive on your selections.

The introductions to host sites will begin sometime late next week, followed by the kickoff of the tournament.

Galadriel55 · 06-20-2013, 06:09 PM

Unnamed Horror

--Tulkas
++Elrond

GK *Elrond (Eriador)
DF Celeborn (Anduin)
DF *Melian (Doriath)
DF Osse (The Sea)
DF Borowolf (TIG)
MF Nienor (Nargothrond)
MF Nerwight (TIG)
MF *Beren (Inter Beleriand)
FW Celegorm (FC Val)
FW *Curufin (FC Val)
FW Ar Pharazon (Armenelos)

Ehhh... still not happy. Whatever.

Group Predictions: winner/runner-up
A: Armenelos/Havens
B: AC/Inter
C: Real/SBU
D: FC Val/Isengard
E: Eriador/Wilderland
F: Tirion/The Sea
G: TIG (duh)/Angband
H: Anduin/Mordor

Who will score the most goals in the tournament? Ugh... *throws dice* Ancalagon

Who will have the most assists in the tournament? Nerdanel

Which team will win the tournament? TIG, and don't dare you say otherwise!

Which goalkeeper will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Elrond.

Which defender will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Draugluin

Which midfielder will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Nessa

Which forward will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Turin.

I'll buy my team later.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-24-2013, 11:13 PM

No $100 million team yet. Still undecided!!!

For 5:

Goals: Curufin (FC Valinor)
Assists: Eöl (AC Beleriand)
Winner: AC Beleriand

Phantasy
GK: Huan (FC Valinor)
DF: Eönwe (FC Valinor)
MF: Glorfindel (Eriador)
FW: Fëanor (AC Beleriand)

For 3+1:

(group: winner, runner-up)

A: Armenelos, Valimar
B: AC Beleriand, Inter Beleriand
C: Real Valinor, Hithlum
D: FC Valinor, Barad-dûr
E: Eriador, Erebor
F: The Sea, Tirion
G: Tol-in-Gaurhoth, Angband
H: Arnor, Rohan

Legate of Amon Lanc · 06-25-2013, 12:25 PM

GROUP A: Valimar
runner-up: Armenelos

GROUP B: AC Beleriand
runner-up: Inter Beleriand

GROUP C: Real Valinor
runner-up: Hithlum

GROUP D: FC Valinor
runner-up: Isengard

GROUP E: Eriador
runner-up: Wilderland

GROUP F: Nargothrond
runner-up: Tirion

GROUP G: Angfauglith
runner-up: Tol-In-Gaurhoth

GROUP H: Anduin
runner-up: Arnor

Random remark. Let me voice one concern about this year's cup, just from observing the teams. It seemed to me when I was creating my team, and now again when looking at this year's teams more closely, that this year it's much more "biased" towards certain teams' strength than the last year. As in, it seems to me like there's more "disparity" between the teams than there was last year. But since this is only my second year, maybe it's wrong personal impression.

the phantom · 06-25-2013, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate

As in, it seems to me like there's more "disparity" between the teams than there was last year.

I wonder if part of that is the lack of a "group of death" this year. Since last year there were four very solid playoff teams jammed into Group D (and perhaps it could be argued nearly the same was true of Group E), which meant that all the teams in the other groups were less likely to be outmatched.

That's part of what makes a Death Group attractive- both the drama within that group and the evenness it brings to the rest of the field.

(Thought to be fair, there are only 2 groups this year where I might've felt confident enough to try and put money on the winner. The others would make me too nervous for an actual risk.)

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-04-2013, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Oh, we need a logo!

Maybe for all the teams?

Is there anyone interested in making team logos or designing kits for the teams?

I'm making the 2013 Arda Cup logo. Also, I have ideas for colours of some teams (viz. the ones I did a diagram on at least once.) But making logos for each would be beyond me.

06-04-2013, 04:48 PM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Yes, quite right- confirming format. The four teams in groups play one another (so three games). Three points for a win, one for a draw. After each has played its three matches, the two teams with the most points go to the playoffs. (Goal differential & goals scored are used as tie-breakers.) The group winners host the first round of the playoffs, and are visited by group runner-ups. Group A winner plays Group H runner-up, Group B winner plays Group G runner up, Group C winner plays Group F runner up, and so on... After posting the competition rules I will post the round 1 match-ups so you can start thinking about your selections as soon as possible. You'll have two rounds of friendlies to decide your teams and such. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-04-2013, 07:17 PM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Selecting Your Team Select your team members from the rosters available here. You will be awarded points according to how your players fare in their tournament games. You must have one GK (goal keeper) and then you can use one of the following formations found below. (Formations listed as number of defenders, midfielders, and forwards, or DF-MF-FW) 5-4-1 4-5-1 3-6-1 4-4-2 4-3-3 In other words, if you choose 4-4-2, then you want to place 4 defenders, 4 midfielders, and 2 fowards on your team along with the goalie of your choice. You may not choose more than 3 players from one single team (it will be allowed late in the playoffs). Place a bolded "C" after one of your players-> C. This player will be your captain and will earn (or lose) you double points. Some players have stars () before their names on the roster. You are allowed a total of FOUR* stars on your roster. This number will increase as the tournament advances. Players with a star are considered to be solid players with a higher likelihood of scoring than other players at that position. Players with 2 stars are the cream of the crop, and are the most likely to gain points at the position. The team an individual plays on, that team's philosophy, the player's name recognition, and past performance can all contribute somewhat to star status. There is no guarantee that star players will score more- it's just more likely. If MFs or DFs are listed lower down the roster (towards the FWs), then they are generally more likely to find themselves involved in the scoring than those MFs or DFs listed higher up towards the GK. Of course, there is no guarantee MFs & DFs listed closer to FWs will score more, but their chances are typically better. Note on trades- After the first two rounds of group play, you can draft a completely new team. Unlimited trades. After the third and final round of group play, you are allowed SEVEN trades. After the first playoff round, you are allowed only THREE trades. After the quarterfinals and semifinals you are allowed only TWO trades. Do not under any circumstances edit your old teams once play has started. If you want to trade a player, make a new post stating the trade and list your new team. (If any of that is unclear, watch the way other players do it and you'll get the idea very quickly.) Scoring Points In Games Rules for gaining points are as follows. Goal by FW- 4 pts Goal by MF- 5 pts Goal by DF- 6 pts Assist- 3 pts Shutout, GK- 4 pts Shutout, DF- 4 pts Shutout, MF- 1 pt Allows 1 goal, GK- 2 pts Allows 1 goal, DF- 2 pts 3 GK saves- 2 pts Yellow Card- -1 pts Red Card- -3 pts Scoring Points With Predictions Take a blind shot in the dark at these questions, or read the various columns offered by our writers to help you decide how to answer. Either way, luck is involved. But don't skip this- if you happen to have a lucky day, these are worth a ton of points all together. (Just ask Nilp.) 5 POINT QUESTIONS Who will score the most goals in the tournament? Who will have the most assists in the tournament? Which team will win the tournament? Which goalkeeper will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Which defender will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Which midfielder will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Which forward will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? GROUP PREDICTIONS Predict the winner and runner up from each of the eight groups listed here. Predicting the winner is worth 3 points. The runner up is worth 1. If you select the correct two teams but have their positions reversed, you will be awarded 2 points. BUY A TEAM You can have a total salary of 100 million. The rosters with salaries again is listed here. Put together the highest scoring team you possibly can for 100 million or less. This team will not change throughout the tournament- it's just a one-time deal. At the finish of the tournament we'll see which person's 100-mill squad scored the most, and that person will gain 10 bonus points. Formations allowed are all those listed above, plus 3-4-3. Please use no more than TWO players from one team. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-04-2013, 07:39 PM	#6
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	The Uncloakables GK- Ungoliant (Angband) DF Morgoth (Angband) DF BoroWolf (TIG) DF Aragorn (Eriador) DF Luthien (Inter Beleriand) MF Elwe (Doriath) (C)* MF Hador (Hithlum) MF Nazgul #5 (Isengard) FW *Gothmog (Angfauglith) FW Legolas (Dwarves United) FW Elladan (Imladris) __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

06-04-2013, 07:59 PM	#7
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Who will score the most goals in the tournament? -Elwe Who will have the most assists in the tournament? -Glaurung Which team will win the tournament? -Doriath Which goalkeeper will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? -Ungoliant Which defender will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? -Ulmo Which midfielder will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? -Yavanna Which forward will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? -Turin Group A: Winner- The Havens Runner Up- Valimar Group B: Winner- Inter Beleriand Runner Up- Gondolin Group C: Winner- Doriath Runner Up- Real Valinor Group D: Winner- Barad-Dur Runner Up- Gondor Group E: Winner- Wilderland Runner Up- Eriador Group F: Winner- Tirion Runner Up- The Sea Group G: Winner- Angband Runner Up- TIG Group H: Winner- Mordor Runner Up- Arnor __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

06-17-2013, 06:39 PM	#8
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,495	I think I won't wait till the very end of friendlies... Unnamed Horror GK Tulkas (Real) DF Celeborn (Anduin) DF Melian (Doriath) DF Osse (The Sea) DF Borowolf (TIG) MF Nienor (Nargothrond) MF Nerwight (TIG) MF Beren (Inter Beleriand) FW Celegorm (FC Val) FW Curufin (FC Val) FW Ar Pharazon (Armenelos) Looking at my team... it sucks. There's a 93.47% chance I'll change about half of it before the real games even begin. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-04-2013, 07:21 PM	#5
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	So that you know who your chosen players are going up against, the first round of group games are- Armenelos vs The Havens The Barrow-Downs vs Valimar Inter Beleriand vs Dwarves United AC Beleriand vs Gondolin Hithlum vs Real Valinor Shire-Bree United vs Doriath Isengard vs FC Valinor Barad-Dur vs Gondor Eriador vs Misty Mts Erebor vs Wilderland Nargothrond vs Minas Tirith Tirion vs The Sea Angfauglith vs Imladris Angband vs Tol-In-Gaurhoth Mordor vs Rohan Anduin vs Arnor __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-19-2013, 01:01 PM	#9
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I got a bit wordier with the TIG-Havens game than anticipated, but I just had a lot of fun writing the story for that one. Wolves and Wights! Huzzah! (And well, I suppose if I thought that was wordy, just wait until I get the TTN shoes on and start writing tourney predictions. ) __________________ Fenris Penguin

06-19-2013, 03:52 PM	#10
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Starting tomorrow various tournament guides and publication predictions will be posted, so feel free to read those for fun or actually use them to help orient yourself- particularly if you are indecisive on your selections. The introductions to host sites will begin sometime late next week, followed by the kickoff of the tournament. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

06-20-2013, 06:09 PM	#11
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,495	Unnamed Horror --Tulkas ++Elrond GK Elrond (Eriador) DF Celeborn (Anduin) DF Melian (Doriath) DF Osse (The Sea) DF Borowolf (TIG) MF Nienor (Nargothrond) MF Nerwight (TIG) MF Beren (Inter Beleriand) FW Celegorm (FC Val) FW Curufin (FC Val) FW Ar Pharazon (Armenelos) Ehhh... still not happy. Whatever. Group Predictions: winner/runner-up A: Armenelos/Havens B: AC/Inter C: Real/SBU D: FC Val/Isengard E: Eriador/Wilderland F: Tirion/The Sea G: TIG (duh)/Angband H: Anduin/Mordor Who will score the most goals in the tournament? Ugh... throws dice Ancalagon Who will have the most assists in the tournament? Nerdanel Which team will win the tournament? TIG, and don't dare you say otherwise! Which goalkeeper will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Elrond. Which defender will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Draugluin Which midfielder will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Nessa Which forward will score the most total phantasy points in the tournament? Turin. I'll buy my team later. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera Last edited by Galadriel55; 06-20-2013 at 06:26 PM.

06-24-2013, 11:13 PM	#12
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Predictions: No $100 million team yet. Still undecided!!! For 5: Goals: Curufin (FC Valinor) Assists: Eöl (AC Beleriand) Winner: AC Beleriand *Phantasy* GK: Huan (FC Valinor) DF: Eönwe (FC Valinor) MF: Glorfindel (Eriador) FW: Fëanor (AC Beleriand) For 3+1: (group: winner, runner-up) A: Armenelos, Valimar B: AC Beleriand, Inter Beleriand C: Real Valinor, Hithlum D: FC Valinor, Barad-dûr E: Eriador, Erebor F: The Sea, Tirion G: Tol-in-Gaurhoth, Angband H: Arnor, Rohan __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-25-2013, 12:25 PM	#13
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Group Predictions GROUP A: Valimar runner-up: Armenelos GROUP B: AC Beleriand runner-up: Inter Beleriand GROUP C: Real Valinor runner-up: Hithlum GROUP D: FC Valinor runner-up: Isengard GROUP E: Eriador runner-up: Wilderland GROUP F: Nargothrond runner-up: Tirion GROUP G: Angfauglith runner-up: Tol-In-Gaurhoth GROUP H: Anduin runner-up: Arnor Random remark. Let me voice one concern about this year's cup, just from observing the teams. It seemed to me when I was creating my team, and now again when looking at this year's teams more closely, that this year it's much more "biased" towards certain teams' strength than the last year. As in, it seems to me like there's more "disparity" between the teams than there was last year. But since this is only my second year, maybe it's wrong personal impression. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories