Physical Form Of The VALAR

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Originally Posted by r.j.c.

Hello everybody my question is what is your opinions as to what the physical form of the Valar was specifically when fighting against Morgoth as in The Battle of the Powers or the first War during the ordering of Arda did they fight in physical form do ya'll think ?


P.S. Sorry if this question is redundant THANKS.

## The arising of Ulmo out of the deeps of the Sea at Nevrast may give a clue - though he did so to strengthen Tuor for the task of bearing Ulmo's warning to Gondolin; not to fight him. The vision of Ulmo's majesty is a foil to the description of Morgoth's, when he lost the power to change his form.

Osse "raged" - & he was "only" a Maia. Presumably the Valar would have directed their energy in a less chaotic way; Tulkas in particular. Though, Osse had been affected by Melkor.

AFAICS, the ability to change form, & to take action that reflects the scope of one's power to act as the Vala (or Maia) one is, depends to a significant extent on the grace in that Vala or Maia; & grace can be received only as a gift of Eru. The Valar are strong, and full of variety, because they are totally dependent on the all-creative goodness of Eru, and don't forget it. Unlike Melkor - & Sauron - who are equally dependent, but deny their dependence, and try to set up as gods on their own.

Would Valar taken on bodily forms in fighting another Vala ? If their bodily forms are a concession to human weakness, and not how they appear to another, not necessarily. Ask an Elf