WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Agh, now I don't know what to think of Cab! I'd say he's jumping a bandwagon, but he says he crossed with me and Rikae earlier, in which case his suspicions are at least somewhat his own, rather than joining general change of suspicion. And I really need to go. Keep an eye on people going for Cop I'd say.

Haha!

This post led me to suspect Pom heavily on D1 - not firstly because he said "keep an eye on Cop-voters", but rather because it felt like she panicked for the double-vote on Copper. Now that we know the other voter was CabWizard, the panic looks more understandable. And she even kind of defends Cab there!

The question sure stays: is this panic coming from only them two voting the same innocent troll, or is there a further reason to panic aka. them trying to save a third?

[Inziladun]

All right, I had a moment when I thought people were already making up their minds I was guilty. I was tired, and the fact that Rikae of all people was leading the charge induced me to rashness.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't do it again.

I had wanted to see Rikae as innocent, but instead saw what appeared to be blatant hypocrisy in the way she'd treated those who suspected Morsul compared to her tunnel vision toward me.

[Nogrod]

Voting D1

-11h #58 Coppermirror--> Boro (1)
-10h #60 Morsul --> Kath (1)
-8.30h #67 Brinn--> Nerwen (1)
-7.30h #73 Gil--> Nerwen (2)

-2.43h #101 Cab--> Coppermirror (1)
-2.39h #102 Pom--> Coppermirror (2) [xd w/ 101]

-1.10h #122 Rikae--> McCaber (1)
-1.02h #125 Green--> McCaber (2) [xd w/ 122]
-.55h #127 Inziladun--> Pom (1) [xd w/ 125]
-.46h #130 Ozban--> McCaber (3) [xd w/ 125, 127]
-.42h #131 Loslote--> Pom (2)
-.26h #136 Boro --> Coppermirror (3)
-.19h #139 Volo --> Nerwen (3)
-.16 #141 Sally --> Pom (3)
-.07h #146 Shasta -->Pom (4)
-.02h #148 Nog --> McCaber (4)

Did not vote: Bane Mantra, "Bane", Kath, "Kat", Nerwen, "Nerve"

Based on D1: looks less suspicious
Copper – two Wizards went for him with voting
Zil – if he is a Wizard his vote for Pom looks a bit daring
Rikae – Brinn says it quite without doubt she looks genuine (unlike from anyone else), she suspects Pom &McCaber (and votes the latter)
Sally – Her vote on Pom brings her in as a serious contender for lynch (alongside McCaber who is already there)

Based on D1: looks more suspicious
Nerwen – by implication: could be the reason two Wizards voted for the easiest lynch candidate t the point she started gathering votes + the fact that Pom clearly panicked somewhat realising what had happened.


More to come... (this is slow indeed)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nerwen – by implication: could be the reason two Wizards voted for the easiest lynch candidate t the point she started gathering votes + the fact that Pom clearly panicked somewhat realising what had happened.

Well, as I'm not a wolf, all I can say, it "could be"... except that it isn't. I think they both voted for Cop because she was, at that point, the only person "on the table" for whom a vote would look legitimate rather than a piece of obvious evil bandwaggonning.

[Nerwen]

See, having looked at the votes myself, in the light of knowing McCaber's role,
I no longer think the remaining Pom voters look so good as formerly.

It had already been said that Zil's was the safest of the four- you (Nog) turn this around and call it "daring", but why? Especially as, if you look at the actual discussion at time, there could have been no way of telling that Pom would soon be in major trouble. Her comment had raised eyebrows, but at the time he voted, no more than that, and everyone seemed to have moved on. It's all there on the page.

Sally's vote speaks much more for her innocence- nonetheless, supposing she is actually a wolf, we should remember that of the other waggons she could have climbed on at that point, one had attracted a lot of controversy, one already had two wolves in it- and the third was for McWolf anyway.

[Nerwen]

Meanwhile, though Nog's comment about further votes telling us something is still weird and nonsensical, it does change things now that we know the person he was tying with the wolf was another wolf.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It had already been said that Zil's was the safest of the four- you (Nog) turn this around and call it "daring", but why?

Well, he could have voted for you or Copper easily to try to avoid McCaber -lynch were he a fellow-Wizard, but to put in another mate-in-crime (who had been suspected anyway) looks a bit unnecessary risk-taking.

And I did call it "a bit daring", not daring as such...

[Nogrod]

Voting D2

-6h #196 Nerwen -> Nog (1)
-5h #200 Oz -> Morsul (1)
-4.07h #210 McCaber -> Rikae (1)
-3.55h #212 Brinn -> Volo (1)
-3.09h #216 Lottie -> Morsul (2)
-2.39h #220 Gil -> Volo 2
- 1.34h #228 Rikae -> Oz

-.51 #237 Zil -> Oz 2
-.48h #239 Kath -> Morsul 3
-.44h #240 Morsul -> Oz 3
-.39h #241 Copper -> Oz 4
-.02 #264 Volo -> Oz 5
-.01 #265 Nog -> Morsul 4
-.01 #266 Sally -> Morsul 5

Did not vote: Greenie, Bane, Boro, Shasta


After the very interesting D1 with at least two Wizards in danger and one eventually lynched, D2 was kind of an anti-climax with two innocents competing for the lynch.

And sadly there looked to be more or less decent grounds for suspecting both of the two aka Oz and Morsul so the Wizards were able to lean back and relax. So I'm afraid there is little the voting (or the discussion) tells us from D2.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well, he could have voted for you or Copper easily to try to avoid McCaber -lynch were he a fellow-Wizard, but to put in another mate-in-crime (who had been suspected anyway) looks a bit unnecessary risk-taking.

And I did call it "a bit daring", not daring as such...

Well, maybe it would be a "bit daring", but wolf-on-wolf is always at least a "bit daring" unless the other wolf is clearly doomed. As I said, his was always the vote I'd thought would have been the safest from a wolf- the latest revelation certainly doesn't change that.

No, I'm not on a crusade against Zil- but once again, I think the Pom voters don't look quite so shiny now that we know McCaber was a wolf anyway.

EDIT: x'd with Nog.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, as I'm not a wolf, all I can say, it "could be"... except that it isn't. I think they both voted for Cop because she was, at that point, the only person "on the table" for whom a vote would look legitimate rather than a piece of obvious evil bandwaggonning.

That is exactly possible. As is that Brinn didn't dream of Rikae (), or that Kath actually is a wolf...

So, I said the voting on D1 makes you look "more suspicious" (by implication), not that I strongly believe you are a Wizard. But that's D1 only thus far.

I'd like to see the other Days' voting through before making any stronger claims on anyone's suspiciousness or unsuspiciousness.

D2 actually coming soon.


EDIT: X'd with Nerwen X2