Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Inzil

And what did Sally do to garner such attention?

Remember all that nonsense trying to get you to hint, because it would tell her something?

She was quite clearly Isildur, thus if she wasn't the one you now trusted then Elendil was still alive. I kept trying to silence her, as I felt you had already answered her clearly enough by not expressing any trust in her. You were smart not to do any hinting at all seeing as we had Elendil in the village. He doesn't need attention.

(That's basically why I'm assuming Elendil is still alive, btw.)

And then towards the end of the day she was practically begging for a dream. She wanted to be in the loop. You know how she is...

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

All that nonsense trying to get you to hint, because it would tell her something.

She was quite clearly Isildur, thus if she wasn't the one you now trusted then Elendil was still alive. I kept trying to silence her, as I felt you had already answered her clearly enough by not expressing any trust in her.

(That's basically why I'm assuming Elendil is still alive, btw.)

And then towards the end of the day she was practically begging for a dream. She wanted to be in the loop. You know how she is...

Yeah, I was mainly being rhetorical. I was hoping too that she'd have let it go when I first balked.

Well, it isn't out of the question that Lottie is a KM involved in some fiendish plot that required bussing her mate to gain trust, but I'm not assuming that now.

That leaves the choices toDay as Mänwe, Morsul, or Steve.

[the phantom]

Anyway, we have-

Lottie
Manwe
Steve
Morsul

We need to start debating on what the pair is. I'll do my best to come up with pairs, but I'm not quite ready yet. Feel free to start theorizing whenever you want.

Elendil- if you don't mind, go ahead and stay hidden. No need to reveal. Frankly I think it would be hilarious if you survive to the finish. If you come under serious threat then quite obviously reveal, but I don't think that will happen...

[Inziladun]

I've got to hit the bed here momentarily, as 5 AM comes rather early. I also have a busy work day ahead, but I'll find time to get here and hopefully be useful.

[Inziladun]

My spontaneous, top-of-my-head KM pair would be Mänwe and Steve.

[the phantom]

Let's do a bit of voting analysis, shall we?

Lottie- Day 1 she gives Steve his second vote, which put him in the lead. So it's somewhat probable that those two aren't a pair. Why toss a packmate under Day 1? On Day 2 she voted for Sallildur, but the innocent Pom was the other choice so she really couldn't have impacted the lynch in a positive way anyway. She's responsible for Nerwen's lynch.

Morsul- Day 1 he gave Sallildur her second vote, tying her with Steve. Now this would be a potential KM protecting a KM. On Day 2 he was the first vote for Pom. Day 3 he jumped the gun and voted Sally before we had any revelations.

Steve- Day 1 he provided the final bit of padding for Eomer. Day 2 he voted a bit late for Inzil which wouldn't have done anything even had it been timely. These votes are very safe.

Manwe- He didn't vote at all Day 1, and that is a very key missing piece to the puzzle, as Steve and Lottie both received votes that Day. That really really ticks me off. Day 2 he gave Morsul his first vote, and if I'm thinking correctly at the time it looked like the wind might blow that direction?

With the Steve-Lottie pair thrown out that leaves-

Steve and Manwe
Steve and Morsul
Manwe and Morsul
Manwe and Lottie
Morsul and Lottie

And now a few observations-

Steve and Morsul are the only two with a voting link.

Steve's votes are safe.

Manwe's votes are safe, plus he skipped.

Morsul's votes are the most flawed.

Lottie looks the cleanest after handing us Nerwen.

[Morsul the Dark]

Well, I didn't have a dream. I was hoping I would because I had a pet theory on that which would have allowed me to confirm three people leaving the KM.

But moving on,

Lottie- most trusted at the moment gave us Nerwen
Manwe- rather quiet fellow easily can avoid detection
Steve- Would have to be the second KM
myself- the always confusing and confused innocent thrown into the frey.

Here's a thought throwing it out there. should we assume Lottie is innocent.

That leaves:
Morsul
Manwe
Steve

and we hope Erendil is still alive: a plan would be lynch me, that'll confirm one innocent have erendil dream one of the other two that would show one of them evil or innocent thus proving the other evil. That'd leave you one KM which would then be process of elimination either Lottie or the surviving member)unless of course dreamed innocent.

That was sort of rantish did it come across clear?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Well, I didn't have a dream. I was hoping I would because I had a pet theory on that which would have allowed me to confirm three people leaving the KM.

Um, there are two KMs left.

and we hope Erendil is still alive: a plan would be lynch me, that'll confirm one innocent have erendil dream one of the other two that would show one of them evil or innocent thus proving the other evil. That'd leave you one KM which would then be process of elimination either Lottie or the surviving member)unless of course dreamed innocent.

That was sort of rantish did it come across clear?

Wait. You...want us to lynch you?

Are we sure there isn't a cobbler in this game? Because this suggestion would go a long way towards us losing a Day.

I...don't know if you're an innocent who just actually thinks this is a good plan, or a KM throwing out something ridiculous that he knows will a) not be put into action and b) make him come off looking like he doesn't especially care if he's lynched (aka, innocent).

Either way, I believe a bit of head-desking is in order. And also sleep. Immediately. Good night.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Um, there are two KMs left.



Wait. You...want us to lynch you?

Are we sure there isn't a cobbler in this game? Because this suggestion would go a long way towards us losing a Day.

I...don't know if you're an innocent who just actually thinks this is a good plan, or a KM throwing out something ridiculous that he knows will a) not be put into action and b) make him come off looking like he doesn't especially care if he's lynched (aka, innocent).

Either way, I believe a bit of head-desking is in order. And also sleep. Immediately. Good night.

first off I meant confirm three roles out of five(which would leave the two km not in the mix)

Secondly, my plan works like this:

ratio: 5-2 we lynch me, ratio 4-2 night phase maybe 3-2 dream reveals km or innocent meaning you know your two km. then two lynches later a win.

Now of course we could go ahead and try for a KM today which would be preferable but I wentwith the plan that has the least amount of guess work involved(at least in my mind)

to your final point I have work in lessthan 6 hours so yeah sleep probably good.

[Brinniel]

Day 2

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I don't think the circumstances require a Sally + Steve theory to explain them, no. It's always likely enough that a substantial bandwagon on an innocent includes a wolf. If I had to pick *one* of them right now, I think Steve would be my guess– though that's more a feeling at the moment (and, to be fair, I may be picking it up from other people– I need to read back over yesterDay).

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It's like Steve is painting Pom as a sort of witch-hunt victim, which doesn't seem to me to be the case at all, actually.

Originally Posted by Eonwe

So at the moment I can see myself voting for Lottie, Nerwen or Zil unless something drastic happens.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I basically concur with this, though I think I prefer Pom over Steve.

Day 3

Originally Posted by Nerwen

And what is all this about? Has anyone doubted Shasta was Amandil? And how could the KMs know if he wasn't?

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Thinking back at past Days, I considered that perhaps Nerwen's suspicion of Eonwe might make them less likely to be packmates. But that she decided to vote Pom over him at a time when Eonwe was in the running to get lynched is suspicious. Eonwe adding her in his list of lynch candidates also indicates the possible baddies suspecting each, but not enough to get them lynched tactic.

EDIT: X-ed with Morsul

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Morsul

ratio: 5-2 we lynch me, ratio 4-2 night phase maybe 3-2 dream reveals km or innocent meaning you know your two km. then two lynches later a win.

You are assuming Elendil's dream would go to an innocent which is not necessarily true.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

You are assuming Elendil's dream would go to an innocent which is not necessarily true.

that's true just remembered Moddess changed the rule on that.

I stand by what I said yesterday Sally is innocent therefor I believe Manwe and Eonwe the We's are evil.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm going to go through Lottie's posts tomorrow jst to make sure I'm satisfied of her innocence though frankly feeling really good about her.