Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

It's not about not trusting you or Shasta. It's about the fact that the whole point of the game is that their's no certainty of gifted roles.

True. My point though is that we know Shasta was innocent, and I see no reason for an innocent to falsely claim to be Amandil. Like I said, that defeats the purpose of the role.

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 04:40 PM

Okay, so I cannot receive a dream, Brin cannot receive a dream, and Inzil cannot receive a dream. Also, Anarion cannot self-protect. Those are the pertinent points here, and they are worth considering for the sake of strategy...

Eönwë · 12-02-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

True. My point though is that we know Shasta was innocent, and I see no reason for an innocent to falsely claim to be Amandil. Like I said, that defeats the purpose of the role.

I really don't think anyone doubts that Shasta was Amandil. I put him as that in my list because I think it's pretty much agreed that that was the case. But since the Moddess said she wouldn't give any information about gifted roles then she didn't.

I think we can move on from this discussion (which isn't really a discussion, just the three of us agreeing), because it's pretty clear you're not going to be forced to retract your 'dream'.

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Originally Posted by the phantom

But of course, if we use the "proven" standard, then Elendil can send a dream to anyone as he himself never dreams thus he cannot "know" anything.

(The intent is clear, of course. Just having fun.)

This is totally going to turn into a philosophical discussion, isn't it? Where's Noggie when you need to discuss epistemology?

edit: x-ed since my last

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

This is totally going to turn into a philosophical discussion, isn't it? Where's Noggie when you need to discuss epistemology?

What came first, the ordo or the wolf?

Morsul the Dark · 12-02-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

What came first, the ordo or the wolf?

depends if the innocent is a CC.

As for everything else. Zil I think narrowing the field further would be good for tomorrow in case the KM do come after you... If Lottie is telling the truth Erendil is alive meaning the gifted you have is 50/50 Anarion or Isildur. are we sure we have the luxury of waiting?

I should be around for the next hour. Sorry about this day off and day 3 collided so a lot of catching up on errands and such today.

Loslote · 12-02-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

As for everything else. Zil I think narrowing the field further would be good for tomorrow in case the KM do come after you... If Lottie is telling the truth Erendil is alive meaning the gifted you have is 50/50 Anarion or Isildur. are we sure we have the luxury of waiting?

1. We absolutely do have that luxury - we're in a pretty great spot here as a village.

2. The gifted Isildur Zil dreamed of *is* Elendil. If Elendil is alive, Zil would have dreamed of him, not Anarion or Isildur.

EDIT: Zil dreamed, not Isildur.

Eönwë · 12-02-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

The gifted Isildur dreamed of *is* Elendil.

Wait, what?

edit: oh, Zil

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

Wait, what?

edit: oh, Zil

Pretty sure she meant- your edit, exactly.

Loslote · 12-02-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

Wait, what?

edit: oh, Zil

Gah! Sorry, typo!

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

As for everything else. Zil I think narrowing the field further would be good for tomorrow in case the KM do come after you... If Lottie is telling the truth Erendil is alive meaning the gifted you have is 50/50 Anarion or Isildur. are we sure we have the luxury of waiting?

Well, the phantocent thinks the Heir has left enough clues that a reveal by them could be fairly well proven. I think I see what he means.

x/d with Lottie

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

As for everything else. Zil I think narrowing the field further would be good for tomorrow in case the KM do come after you... If Lottie is telling the truth Erendil is alive meaning the gifted you have is 50/50 Anarion or Isildur. are we sure we have the luxury of waiting?

That's actually inaccurate. If Lottie is telling the truth, Dun has the name of Elendil. If not, Dun's got the identity of Isildur.

As far as the reveal, I'm feeling pretty good about things. Assuming there's still a seer, they can send something to who they think is the other gifted. If not, we have a ranger who can hopefully make a good choice for toNight's protection. Assuming I understand everything correctly, we'll be fine come the Morrow, even if Dun dies (not that I wish for that to happen, of course).

EDIT: x'd with Lottie and Dun

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 05:06 PM

Do we have a KM (King's Morsul after all?

x/d with Steve

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Do we have a KM (King's Morsul after all?

Kind sir, have you not been listening to me all flipping game?

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Morsul

Zil I think narrowing the field further would be good for tomorrow in case the KM do come after you...

I would assume Elendil is capable of narrowing the field without Inzil's help.

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Assuming there's still a seer, they can send something to who they think is the other gifted.

Meh- they should just send the dream to Lottie again. She came through this time, didn't she?

Or just send it to Brin. As the Night 1 dreamer I hereby declare I was lying about Brin being a proven innocent- her status is revoked. There. Now Elendil can send a dream to Brin as well.

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2012, 05:17 PM

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Meh- they should just send the dream to Lottie again. She came through this time, didn't she?

Sure, that's a great plan. Unless, you know, she's a wolf.

Loslote · 12-02-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

This is totally going to turn into a philosophical discussion, isn't it? Where's Noggie when you need to discuss epistemology?

What is the Form of Wolf?

EDIT: Seems Zil and I had a similar idea.

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 04:54 PM

Anyway, I'll keep the Heir's ID to myself. If they want to reveal, I'll just confirm it.

12-02-2012, 04:40 PM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Okay, so I cannot receive a dream, Brin cannot receive a dream, and Inzil cannot receive a dream. Also, Anarion cannot self-protect. Those are the pertinent points here, and they are worth considering for the sake of strategy... __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-02-2012, 05:06 PM	#12
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Do we have a KM (King's Morsul after all? x/d with Steve __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

12-02-2012, 04:54 PM	#17
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Anyway, I'll keep the Heir's ID to myself. If they want to reveal, I'll just confirm it. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.