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the phantom · 12-02-2012, 12:20 PM

I notice that most people seem unwilling to name what they believe is the KM-pack. Is that because you don't know whether to trust Lottie?

Then how about this. Make a list of three if she's innocent, and a list for if she's guilty.

Sally, Manwe, Morsul, Steve- it's you we need to hear from. Lay out your top three suspects please.

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

I notice that most people seem unwilling to name what they believe is the KM-pack. Is that because you don't know whether to trust Lottie?

Then how about this. Make a list of three if she's innocent, and a list for if she's guilty.

Sally, Manwe, Morsul, Steve- it's you we need to hear from. Lay out your top three suspects please.

Should I do this too?

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 12:24 PM

Meh, I'll hold off. I want to see what others say.

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Inzil

That said, I'll be around a good deal. Let me know, phantom and Brinn, when you think is the best time for Amandil's heir to be outed.

Honestly, I don't even think you have to, seeing as no one challenged your claim. If the person comes under fire then of course you can step in, but for now may as well sit on it, right?

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Honestly, I don't even think you have to, seeing as no one challenged your claim. If the person comes under fire then of course you can step in, but for now may as well sit on it, right?

That works. I was hoping it would be challenged though. You bad guys are no fun.

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 12:30 PM

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That works. I was hoping it would be challenged though. You bad guys are no fun.

Ha ha, yeah, I know. This day isn't weird and crazy enough- let's get a role challenge going!

Sally- didn't you say last night that you had a very important observation to share?

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 12:35 PM

If Elendil is in fact still alive, I'm debating the merits of asking Isildur or Anarion to reveal.

Hmm, actually even if Elendil isn't alive, I'm debating the possibility of at least one of the Gifteds revealing. Just imagine Steve, Morsul, Sally, or Manwe being Gifted and able to back that claim up with some quality evidence. That would shrink the lynch pool immensely not just for today but for tomorrow- not to mention it would give the KMs yet another Night-kill target to worry about.

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Hmm, actually even if Elendil isn't alive, I'm debating the possibility of at least one of the Gifteds revealing. Just imagine Steve, Morsul, Sally, or Manwe being Gifted and able to back that claim up with some quality evidence. That would shrink the lynch pool immensely not just for today but for tomorrow- not to mention it would give the KMs yet another Night-kill target to worry about.

Seems sound enough.

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Sally- didn't you say last night that you had a very important observation to share?

Indeed, but I'll have to wait on Dun. The good news is I'll be around for the rest of the day. Hopefully the lynch won't get too crazy, but if it does, I'll see what I can do to help.

Off to fill my grumbling stomach.

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sally

Indeed, but I'll have to wait on Dun.

What do you mean, it has to wait on him?

He's proven innocent. No one challenged. Therefore he has no need to give out his info. Are you trying to force him?

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2012, 12:58 PM

It's not an issue of me trusting him at all. In fact, quite the opposite.

Are you even around at present, Dun?

EDIT: x'd with Dun. How convenient.

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 12:58 PM

Inzil and Brin (and if anyone else wants to give thoughts on this you're welcome), what are the pros and cons of Gifteds revealing? Here's a bit of my thinking-

Scenario: Isildur and Anarion both reveal
Pros: We would know Lottie is lying, or that one of the reveals is lying (if Elendil then steps forward). The lynch list would be smaller. If Elendil is still alive Anarion could tell him who he is able to protect.
Cons: The KMs would have more kill choices thus it would be more difficult to predict for Anarion if he's alive.

What else can you guys add to this?

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom, re: Dun

Are you trying to force him?

Um....maybe?

I think getting a list from him would give me what I need though. Maybe. Ish. See, I have this theory, but I can't prove it yet. I guess I could just share what I know, but I'd rather have Dun show his cards (or at least let me peek) first to be safe. Luckily I'm not in a terrible rush, so I suppose I can wait until he's ready.

Done making wonderful food. Until I get back (found a mess in the kitchen when I got home, so I'll be working on that for a bit), keep up with Phantom's plans. Rather hoping Dun will trust me enough to at least make a list.

EDIT: x'd with Dun again (and also Phantom). Gee, this is getting to be a habit.

Inziladun · 12-02-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Indeed, but I'll have to wait on Dun. The good news is I'll be around for the rest of the day.

Interesting. I'd still like input from our innocents first though.

Edit- What phantom said.

Mänwe · 12-02-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Then how about this. Make a list of three if she's innocent, and a list for if she's guilty.

Ok then, if she's innocent;

Nerwen
Steve
Morsul

If she's not innocent

Lottie
Morsul
Steve

But i'm still not set on Sally wholly so her and Morsul could be interchangeable.

edit: x'd with the above

Sounds good to me phantom, simple and the reveals have worked relatively well so far.

satansaloser2005 · 12-02-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

I notice that most people seem unwilling to name what they believe is the KM-pack. Is that because you don't know whether to trust Lottie?

Then how about this. Make a list of three if she's innocent, and a list for if she's guilty.

Sally, Manwe, Morsul, Steve- it's you we need to hear from. Lay out your top three suspects please.

Not a problem. Actually, I did quite a bit of number-crunching in the wee hours about exactly this.

If Lottie's evil:
Lottie
Morsul
Nerwen (if Lottie is playing boldly)

If Lottie's innocent:
Nerwen
Morsul
Steve

the phantom · 12-02-2012, 01:24 PM

Okay, so Manwe and Inzil have both assented to the idea of Isildur and/or Anarion revealing. What does everyone else think? What are drawbacks?

12-02-2012, 12:20 PM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I notice that most people seem unwilling to name what they believe is the KM-pack. Is that because you don't know whether to trust Lottie? Then how about this. Make a list of three if she's innocent, and a list for if she's guilty. Sally, Manwe, Morsul, Steve- it's you we need to hear from. Lay out your top three suspects please. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-02-2012, 12:24 PM	#3
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Meh, I'll hold off. I want to see what others say. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

12-02-2012, 12:35 PM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	If Elendil is in fact still alive, I'm debating the merits of asking Isildur or Anarion to reveal. Hmm, actually even if Elendil isn't alive, I'm debating the possibility of at least one of the Gifteds revealing. Just imagine Steve, Morsul, Sally, or Manwe being Gifted and able to back that claim up with some quality evidence. That would shrink the lynch pool immensely not just for today but for tomorrow- not to mention it would give the KMs yet another Night-kill target to worry about. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-02-2012, 12:58 PM	#11
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	It's not an issue of me trusting him at all. In fact, quite the opposite. Are you even around at present, Dun? EDIT: x'd with Dun. How convenient. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

12-02-2012, 12:58 PM	#12
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Inzil and Brin (and if anyone else wants to give thoughts on this you're welcome), what are the pros and cons of Gifteds revealing? Here's a bit of my thinking- Scenario: Isildur and Anarion both reveal Pros: We would know Lottie is lying, or that one of the reveals is lying (if Elendil then steps forward). The lynch list would be smaller. If Elendil is still alive Anarion could tell him who he is able to protect. Cons: The KMs would have more kill choices thus it would be more difficult to predict for Anarion if he's alive. What else can you guys add to this? __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-02-2012, 01:24 PM	#17
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Okay, so Manwe and Inzil have both assented to the idea of Isildur and/or Anarion revealing. What does everyone else think? What are drawbacks? __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.