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the phantom · 12-01-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brin

I wonder if a baddie would risk falsely claiming the info.

Dunno... I was going to run a trial of it in my head yesterday but just never got to it, so I haven't really thought about it at all.

If anyone else has considered it, by all means give your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Brin

But unless we do have a counter-claim, I'm leaving Inzil alone.

Quite right.

satansaloser2005 · 12-01-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

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Originally Posted by Brinn

But unless we do have a counter-claim, I'm leaving Inzil alone.

Quite right.

Third.

the phantom · 12-01-2012, 10:20 PM

We know these are innocent-
Phantom
Brin

Pending approval as known innocent-
Inzil

The rest-
Sally
Manwe
Morsul
Steve
Lottie
Nerwen

Now, one of "the rest" is a Gifted that can hopefully have a successful reveal when called upon, so really that category is only 5 people, 3 of which are KMs. We can still win, but we need to vote together as much as possible and not spread things out to let the KMs stack the piles. Also, if at all possible don't vote extremely early, but also not in the final 5 minutes today.

the phantom · 12-01-2012, 10:24 PM

So, Sally and Manwe (and anyone else around)- since Inzil has been tossed out for the time being, my request from this post is easier to manage now. Why don't you go ahead and give your thoughts, please. Mount as strong defenses or offenses as you can manage...

satansaloser2005 · 12-01-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

So, Sally and Manwe (and anyone else around)- since Inzil has been tossed out for the time being, my request from this post is easier to manage now. Why don't you go ahead and give your thoughts, please. Mount as strong defenses or offenses as you can manage...

Dude, I would, but you know how crappy I am at reading Nerwen. I'll go have another look at her, but no promises that my thoughts will win me a sparkly umbrella.

Loslote · 12-01-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Okay, so now that Shasta's dead, is there a one of you that has received special information about Amandil's line?

Not...exactly.

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'd have underlined known villains, but we don't have any. >.<

Erm...I do.

I got a dream last night.

I know, right?

But yeah.

I have a wolf.

satansaloser2005 · 12-01-2012, 10:53 PM

Explain.

Loslote · 12-01-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Explain.

I received a dream last Night. In the dream, it was revealed to me the identity of a wolf. (I won't say who until later on in the Day.)

Elendil is still alive.

EDIT: xed with Brinn

Brinniel · 12-01-2012, 10:54 PM

Players who showed suspicions of Pom:

Morsul: Consistently suspects Pom all Day and votes her. Either a misguided innocent or a baddie jumping on player who's a potential easy lynch.

Sally: Suspects her early on. I mentioned before that an innocent is more inclined to feel suspicious of someone who voted her, but that doesn't discount the possibility of a baddie taking advantage of the situation. Her vote for Pom doesn't mean much to me since her neck was on the chopping block at that point.

Inzil: Leaving alone for now.

Shasta: Dead and innocent.

Nerwen: Replies to Pom's disagreement and implication about her not wanting to spread out the votes. Nerwen's reply was understandable as I felt the same way. She doesn't openly suspect Pom though until the last moments of the Day, then votes her. That I do find suspicious.

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I don't know what to do with Morsul. So many of his comments and theories seem rather out there. But others say that's how he typically is, which isn't helpful. It could make him an easy lynch for the baddies, though if he were a baddie, the pack could use that to their favor.

Nerwen's vote for Pom is most worrying to me as her suspicions suddenly come at the very last minute.

I really don't know about Sally. I no longer feel as good about her, so she's moving into my 'not sure' category.

Edit: X-ed with the last few. Wow...okay.

Brinniel · 12-01-2012, 10:57 PM

Loslote, why would you (an unknown) receive a dream and not phantom or me (two known innocents). That just doesn't make sense.

Loslote · 12-01-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

Loslote, why would you (an unknown) receive a dream and not phantom or me (two known innocents). That just doesn't make sense.

Maybe Elendil didn't want to risk the dreamer being killed. I have no idea why me in particular.

Brinniel · 12-01-2012, 11:04 PM

Yeah, but there were three known innocents to pick between. Shasta was most certain to be killed. Choosing one of the other two wouldn't be that risky, especially with the possibility that one of us is protected.

Inzil (assuming he's telling the truth) knows the identity of a gifted. If Elendil's alive, that would be him, right?

I need some time to unscramble my brain...

Inziladun · 12-01-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

Yeah, but there were three known innocents to pick between. Shasta was most certain to be killed. Choosing one of the other two wouldn't be that risky, especially with the possibility that one of us is protected.

Exactly. Personally, I'd have chosen you as the least likely of the three to be targeted.,

Inziladun · 12-01-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

Loslote, why would you (an unknown) receive a dream and not phantom or me (two known innocents). That just doesn't make sense.

I could possibly see not giving the dream to phantom, on the off-chance he might have been killed, but why indeed not Brinn?

Loslote · 12-01-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

I could possibly see not giving the dream to phantom, on the off-chance he might have been killed, but why indeed not Brinn?

Honestly? I don't know. I have absolutely no clue.

Inziladun · 12-01-2012, 11:04 PM

After all, when you do have a choice of two innocents, sending a dream to an unknown seems pretty darned risky.

Loslote · 12-01-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

After all, when you do have a choice of two innocents, sending a dream to an unknown seems pretty darned risky.

I agree. It makes no sense - I can't count how often I've re-checked the pm to make sure I didn't read it wrong or imagined it or something.

Brinniel · 12-01-2012, 11:15 PM

In theory...

If both Lottie and Inzil are telling the truth, then one knows a baddie and one knows Elendil. If Elendil revealed (which would no longer be so risky), that would be five known innocents and one known baddie. Which would make the village almost certain to win.

I don't know, I'm feeling rather skeptical...

12-01-2012, 10:20 PM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	We know these are innocent- Phantom Brin Pending approval as known innocent- Inzil The rest- Sally Manwe Morsul Steve Lottie Nerwen Now, one of "the rest" is a Gifted that can hopefully have a successful reveal when called upon, so really that category is only 5 people, 3 of which are KMs. We can still win, but we need to vote together as much as possible and not spread things out to let the KMs stack the piles. Also, if at all possible don't vote extremely early, but also not in the final 5 minutes today. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-01-2012, 10:24 PM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	So, Sally and Manwe (and anyone else around)- since Inzil has been tossed out for the time being, my request from this post is easier to manage now. Why don't you go ahead and give your thoughts, please. Mount as strong defenses or offenses as you can manage... __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

12-01-2012, 10:53 PM	#7
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Explain. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

12-01-2012, 10:54 PM	#9
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Players who showed suspicions of Pom: Morsul: Consistently suspects Pom all Day and votes her. Either a misguided innocent or a baddie jumping on player who's a potential easy lynch. Sally: Suspects her early on. I mentioned before that an innocent is more inclined to feel suspicious of someone who voted her, but that doesn't discount the possibility of a baddie taking advantage of the situation. Her vote for Pom doesn't mean much to me since her neck was on the chopping block at that point. Inzil: Leaving alone for now. Shasta: Dead and innocent. Nerwen: Replies to Pom's disagreement and implication about her not wanting to spread out the votes. Nerwen's reply was understandable as I felt the same way. She doesn't openly suspect Pom though until the last moments of the Day, then votes her. That I do find suspicious. --- I don't know what to do with Morsul. So many of his comments and theories seem rather out there. But others say that's how he typically is, which isn't helpful. It could make him an easy lynch for the baddies, though if he were a baddie, the pack could use that to their favor. Nerwen's vote for Pom is most worrying to me as her suspicions suddenly come at the very last minute. I really don't know about Sally. I no longer feel as good about her, so she's moving into my 'not sure' category. Edit: X-ed with the last few. Wow...okay. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

12-01-2012, 10:57 PM	#10
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Loslote, why would you (an unknown) receive a dream and not phantom or me (two known innocents). That just doesn't make sense. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

12-01-2012, 11:04 PM	#12
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Yeah, but there were three known innocents to pick between. Shasta was most certain to be killed. Choosing one of the other two wouldn't be that risky, especially with the possibility that one of us is protected. Inzil (assuming he's telling the truth) knows the identity of a gifted. If Elendil's alive, that would be him, right? I need some time to unscramble my brain... __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

12-01-2012, 11:04 PM	#16
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	After all, when you do have a choice of two innocents, sending a dream to an unknown seems pretty darned risky. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

12-01-2012, 11:15 PM	#18
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	In theory... If both Lottie and Inzil are telling the truth, then one knows a baddie and one knows Elendil. If Elendil revealed (which would no longer be so risky), that would be five known innocents and one known baddie. Which would make the village almost certain to win. I don't know, I'm feeling rather skeptical... __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum