Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[Brinniel]

Known Innocent:
Brinn
Phantom
Shasta

Feeling Good About:
Lottie - Her defense of Pom makes me feel better about her. I don't think she would so obviously defend her if they were both evil. And if Pom's innocent, why defend her when she could potentially be an easy lynch?
Sally - In general she seems okay and has given me no reason to suspect her. Her suspicion of Pom seems more genuine compared to others; for one thing, it's understandable for an innocent to automatically feel suspicious of someone who votes against them. I was wavering on placing Sally in the not sure category, but for now I'm more inclined to think her innocent.

Not Sure:
Manwe - I haven't heard enough from him to get an idea about which side he might be on.
Nerwen - I have no vibes on her right now.
Eonwe - I've seen people make points against him and perhaps he has made a few iffy comments. But at this point, I really can't tell whether he may be good or evil.

Watching:
Pom - She's on my watch list because I can see a possibility of her being evil, but I won't vote for her toDay for the reasons I stated previously.

Suspicious:
Inzil - His suspicions against Pom feel like they could be fabricated.
Morsul - Same as Inzil, plus he keeps making slips as others have pointed out. While I have seen innocents make many suspicious slips, it could be just as easily a sloppy KM.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Feeling Good AboutSally - In general she seems okay and has given me no reason to suspect her. Her suspicion of Pom seems more genuine compared to others; for one thing, it's understandable for an innocent to automatically feel suspicious of someone who votes against them. I was wavering on placing Sally in the not sure category, but for now I'm more inclined to think her innocent.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Suspicious:
Inzil - His suspicions against Pom feel like they could be fabricated.

I fail to see how Sally's suspicions of Pom are necessarily more justified than mine, when Pom voted for me YesterDay.

x/d with Lottie

[Eönwë]

Ok, looking through people's posts now. First up, Pom.

Day 1
Looking at her posts, she seems fine. I'm not sure about her list, but then again, it was Day 1, and there really was very little to go on. And despite what Shasta says, I actually think what she's saying about Inzil isn't unreasonable or hypocritical; what I think she's saying is that he's stating the obvious too much, and stepping back from his criticisms unnecessarily, which is fair enough.

Day 2
She's definitely more mixed today.

Good:

• She's the first person to mention phantom getting the N1 dream. Seems good in context, because people (myself included) were getting rather too caught up in the Boro-discussion, when really there was not much that could be known.
  

Eyebrow-raising:

• Her obsession with the Morsul-voters here, here and here. Three posts in a row about it is a bit (read: very) excessive, not giving much of a chance for any response (only Nerwen gets a chance in that timeframe). But then, is it something a wolf would do? Seems quite risky.
• Her last two paragraphs here here might be defending Morsul a little too much. However, I don't think packmates would be that obvious. I also can't judge fully until I've read his posts again.

Overall, I'm not sure why people are attacking Pom so much. She may not look perfect, but she doesn't actually seem very suspicious to me at the moment (this could change depending on my reread of Morsul).

edit: x-ed since Lottie
edit: just realised formatting was terrible

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Overall, I'm not sure why people are attacking Pom so much. She may not look perfect, but she doesn't actually seem very suspicious to me at the moment (this could change depending on my reread of Morsul).

Not sure I like this post. It's like Steve is painting Pom as a sort of witch-hunt victim, which doesn't seem to me to be the case at all, actually.

Originally Posted by Shasta

It's always hard for me to say anything about Morsul. He's almost always self-deprecatingly wrong, but it's practically impossible to tell how much of that is intentional (read: wolvish) and how much of that is just typical Morsul.

Honestly, I'm not sure it need be intentional even if wolvish– I mean, I think Morsul tends to play in a kind of bubble regardless of role. Sometimes it gets him lynched, sometimes it works in his favour.

EDIT:X'd since Steve.

[Inziladun]

I feel I've pretty much been dead weight thus far, but I'm hopeful I can make up for it now that the weekend's here.

After thinking things over and seeing the most recent posts, I'm now more inclined to go with Steve over Pom. As noted, his was one of the Eomer votes, and it still seems likely at least one of those was evil. I know it isn't me, and seemingly not Brinn. That leaves Sally and Steve, and of the two Steve looks worse, based upon toDay's activity.
What tipped the balance was Nerwen's # 272. If Steve turns out evil, then Pom is pretty well implicated.

++Steve

x/d with all since # 273. Yes, I'm that slow.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Not sure I like this post. It's like Steve is painting Pom as a sort of witch-hunt victim, which doesn't seem to me to be the case at all, actually.

Well, there did seem to be a sudden wave of Pom-suspicion when I started that post, so I was expecting to see something incriminating, but couldn't. More surprise than anything.

edit: x-ed since me

[Mänwe]

Ive looked a bit at Sally, Steve and Morsul and so indirectly a smidge at Pom and Inzil and i'm in two minds behind that quagmire especially with phantoms list.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I would be okay with voting for Pom or Morsul, possibly Eonwe.

[Loslote]

I would say I'd be okay with voting for Morsul, but that would be taking a chance on his guilt without telling us much if he's innocent. Steve or Pom would tell us more - Steve probably more than Pom. With that in mind, I'd say I'm most likely at this point to vote for Steve.

[Brinniel]

Ten minutes left and Morsul and Inzil still look the most suspicious to me. So I'll be voting for one of them.

[the phantom]

VOTES
Pom ++ Sally
Morosul ++ Pom
Inzil ++ Steve

[Eönwë]

So at the moment I can see myself voting for Lottie, Nerwen or Zil unless something drastic happens.

[Eönwë]

Day 1

• Mostly lots of banter
• Accepts the three-person list immediately, but that is kind of inevitable for someone arriving so late. Doesn't say anything either way.
• Doesn't like the suggestion of using Isildur's power at all, especially on a Day 1. I suppose there are other schools of thought, but to me that's an opinion that seems to be on the side of the villagers. Of course, she certainly knows that, so it could be a nasty wolvish tactic just as easily.
• I don't like this post. She's just agreeing without adding anything.
• Calls out Morsul. Maybe a slightly excessively, but justifiably.

Conclusion: Not sure quite what it was that made me find her fishy yesterDay, but she seems quite all right to me so far.


Day 2

• First one to seriously move away from the Boro discussion. Could go either way. A KM would want to start setting up a lynch; an innocent would want to start discussion on the Day ahead when it's clear that we won't know Boro's role for certain. The post in itself makes a lot of sense, though it is quite heavy for so early in the Morning. She's not messing around (well, she is, but she's also definitely going for it).
• Posts thoughts on people, with some songs.
• Not sure what to make of this. Seems a bit contrived.
• Rips apart Morsul's Day 1 logic. Such strong and consistent attacking doesn't seem too wolvish to me.

Conclusion: Other than this post, she seems pretty good to me. I'm quite surprised at this outcome myself, given my suspicion of her yesterDay, but there you have it.


General comments: There's not going to be time for me to look through everyone, it seems. Manwe has said too little anyway, so there's not much I can say. Morsul seems just like a very skittish innocent at the moment, because I imagine a wolf would be more concerned with convincing others than himself. So that leaves Nerwen, Zil and Lottie for me to look at, and even then, only briefly (half an hour to DL).

edit: x-ed with phantom