Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Morsul

Boro gone. A gifted. but which one? if I'm reading into the narration right it's Isildur?

Yeah- that's definitely what I'm thinking.

And I seem to remember someone *ahem* being told that his idea was horrible- the idea about Isildur just going ahead and using his Gift on the Day 1 lynch, because he was probably innocent. Well... The lynch was innocent and Isildur is now dead.

Can I say it? Can I say it?

[the phantom]

Lottie and Morsul, regarding post #20- assume that Boro dreamed about Brin and then reread the post. I believe you'll see it's suddenly shouting "Kill me! Break the chain!" Hence my appeal to Shasta to tell us if things are truly that bad, or if Boro was bluffing in order to preserve the Elendil dreams.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Lottie and Morsul, regarding post #20- assume that Boro dreamed about Brin and then reread the post. I believe you'll see it's suddenly shouting "Kill me! Break the chain!" Hence my appeal to Shasta to tell us if things are truly that bad, or if Boro was bluffing in order to preserve the Elendil dreams.

I could maybe see it being Boro the Dreamer hiding the message "Brinn is innocent" and knowing Elendil would understand. I fail to see anything about 'kill me' or 'break the chain'.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lottie

I could maybe see it being Boro the Dreamer hiding the message "Brinn is innocent" and knowing Elendil would understand.

You got it, Lottie. In a post talking about dream hints to Elendil he specifically says that it would be easy to hint, just do it like this, and then declares Brin innocent.

Yesterday I think I was strongly leaning towards "innocent ploy", but during the Night I reread and I just got very uncomfortable about it, thinking he may have actually given himself away.

The "kill me, break the chain" translation- I'm saying that's what the KMs would see within his post (do you follow me?), as setting yourself up as the dreamer (and therefore the dream target the following night) would clearly put oneself at risk if the KMs opted for the chain-breaking option as opposed to the blind shot at Elendil option.

[the phantom]

But anyway- I'm not going to stress any more about it. Perhaps Boro outwitted the KMs and it was strictly a bluff (a risky one as he was Gifted, but still a very good one if it protects both Elendil and the dreams). I'll hope for that until Shasta can tell us what vision he saw.

[Eönwë]

So, who was Boro?

Originally Posted by the phantom

Perhaps Boro outwitted the KMs and it was strictly a bluff (a risky one as he was Gifted, but still a very good one if it protects both Elendil and the dreams).

Well, the only gifted I could see pulling such a ploy that could lead to dying this early would be Amandil, which I could see potential hints for at the beginning of his first post (bolding mine):

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Amandil revealing, I think, would optimize his role. Since for all intents and purposes he's an ordo, but if he dies then the next in Amandil's line (at this point it would be Elendil) would be revealed to a randomly selected ordo.

and here (boldding mine again):

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Aye Amandil saying "I saw an innocent" or "I saw a KM" would also be the same as everyone creating an Elendil list. Either way, as long as it's done uniformly and consistently, that way there is no confusion with relaying dreams to Elendil then let's go with it.

However, the fact that he didn't take it further or counter-reveal could suggest that he'd be quite worried that it'd backfire, which I would normally expect from an innocent that doesn't want to get the real gifted killed. However, since we know he's a gifted, it's possible that he was worried about getting lynched/killed himself, which would make him most likely to be either Elendil or Anarion, but Isildur is also very possible. Let's hope he's the latter. I will look into this more when I return in a few hours.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

You got it, Lottie. In a post talking about dream hints to Elendil he specifically says that it would be easy to hint, just do it like this, and then declares Brin innocent..

That's something to think about, but I wouldn't take it as a given, at this point.

x/d with phantom

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

The "kill me, break the chain" translation- I'm saying that's what the KMs would see within his post (do you follow me?), as setting yourself up as the dreamer (and therefore the dream target the following night) would clearly put oneself at risk if the KMs opted for the chain-breaking option as opposed to the blind shot at Elendil option.

Ahhhh. I thought you mean that Boro himself was actively and purposefully calling for his death, and that just made no sense.

EDIT: xed with Zil

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I could maybe see it being Boro the Dreamer hiding the message "Brinn is innocent" and knowing Elendil would understand.

Honestly, I kept wondering why Boro kept referring to me as an example in those posts. Yet, if he were the dreamer, I think he'd find a more subtle way to hint his dream. So perhaps phantom is right about him possibly bluffing? Or maybe he didn't mean anything by it.

Btw, you people post way too much. I can never keep up.