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I wondering can identities be passed on secretively and successfully or do they often become so cryptic the intended recipient is none the wiser? My point is though the list of three before night falls is still a good idea to continue.
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![]() Hm. I need to look it over carefully. The main issue I see is trusting the "revealed" Amandil. I think it's certainly something to consider, but ultimately it's Amandil's decision. Quote:
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Yes, also what I was getting at.
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So, we're done on the Amandil issue then? Everyone agrees he can step forward? (We'll trust his reveal, Inzil, because what KM would fake reveal on Day 1 with a potential counter-reveal out there?)
Regarding the Elendil list, the main concern is that people's participation sucks? Ugh, that's really really annoying. It seems this game has changed since I last played... Ah, well. If the rest of you don't mind, I'm going to do it anyway. At least that way if I happen to be selected as a recipient I'll have an established method for passing the info back. I suppose everyone else can do their own thing, so long as they believe it will work.
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Hey guys, how about those Elves, eh? I sure do appreciate those Elves. No question about that.
![]() I am trying to work out how Phantom's plan could be used against the village, should he be evil. I don't think there is a way, and I'm inclined to agree with everything he said earlier. But I need to think on it a bit more, because you can never fully trust a talented werewolver.
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Should that be werewolfer? I think so.
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I will say, if we go forward with Amandil revealing (which ultimately will be up to Amandil now). Then the next day Amandil should do the "Guilty Elendil list," which should successfully transfer the dreamed of person to Elendil, and at the same time hide the dream from the KM. There isn't any further risk to Amandil, since he would be already revealed anyways. This making any sense?
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Regarding participation, it seems like there is more potential in this game than there has been in the past few. And anyone has time to put up a randomised list. If it would become a habit for everyone, I think it would also be harder to forget, as you'd keep seeing the lists in every post in the first part of the day. I'd say yes to Amandil revealing. I'd also agree to lists today at the very least. Just to confirm, there's no CC, right? And just in case - if a KM decides to do a fake-reveal, Amandil, at least counter that! Otherwise we're stuck with a lot of problematicly full trust to a KM, and potentially to a chain of people after that.
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Correct P, there is no CC.
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Okay, so, here's what I'm thinking. Inzil has a point about consistency. If someone isn't doing much then suddenly says enough in which one could find an Elendil dream hint, that sticks out. Everyone ought to do something consistently- at the very least post enough in which to bury a hint. And so my 3-name thing seems like the bare minimum, right? I mean honestly- if asking everyone to randomly list 3 people in their first post each day is too much, we may as well modfire everyone. Show up in the morning and say "Inzil-Shasta-Nerwen" and bang, you're done. Totally not difficult. Now, for those that post more than others (e.g. me) I suppose it isn't technically necessary as I'm saying enough every day that slipping in a dream hint wouldn't be a problem, but I think the low-volume posters ought to be forced to agree to this plan. I mean- if they can't be bothered to type three people's names every 48 hours then we may as well lynch them. Also- did anyone give any thoughts on my idea for Isildur to just save whoever gets lynched today given the simple odds at this point in the village? Finally- are we ready for Amandil to step up?
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I agree that it is a good idea to go through every possible situation, Inzil, that's why I keep pointing out why it does work. So that every argument, pro and against, gets said. There is a reason why I haven't posted a list yet, that's because I don't want everyone to just jump blindly in, but I cannot come up with any proper problems; that doesn't mean that you or someone else couldn't.
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I'm still turning the implications of the roles over in my mind here- hope no one minds all this thinking out loud and asking for input. (To our moddess- seriously I find these rules/roles to be quite fun for providing Day 1 musings. Well done.
![]() Lately I've been contemplating how bold dream recipients could potentially be even in the absence of Amandil. I mean- if last night's recipient admits to it and states the target, what are the baddies going to do about it? Kill him? I don't think so, as that would then prove the dream-target's innocence/guilt and simultaneously leave Elendil alive for another dream. I'm thinking the KM's would most definitely not attack the dream recipient and target because those are two people guaranteed not to be Elendil. Under this set up it would be ideal for Elendil to dream of the other gifteds or use them as recipients, as he simply has to be top priority for the Baddies thus they would as a rule shy away from killing his dreams. BUT how would the KMs even find Elendil given that he has zero secret verifiable information to pass on, as he himself is not the recipient? Seriously- I'm almost sorry for them. And on my earlier point about Isildur just using his power on Day 1, if he does so might he just go ahead and Day 1 reveal? It would give another trustable figure, and also rule out the necessity of bothering to dream of him. The only downside I think would be the KMs could rule him out as Elendil. Any thoughts on this?
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Currently Elendil has one dream and sent it to one person. I would hope Elendil could rely on the information, but there's no way for Elendil to know this for sure. From what I understand, Elendil can double-check and send the same name to a different person, but that's wasting dream choices. And further, there would be no way for Elendil to know which person was telling the truth if he sent 2 people the same name and they relayed conflicting info. Amandil revealing would establish that reliable chain of dreams. So, to expand on my earlier example. 1. Amandil reveals today, Elendil dreams Brinn and sends it to Amandil. 2. Amandil either with creating the list that's been talked about or just saying "I saw an innocent" will let Elendil know Brinn's innocent and it would not give the trail away to the KM. 3. Elendil proceeds to give the next name to Brinn and it continues on from there... Now to your point Pom, what if in #3, Elendil is killed in the night. We could still follow the chain from Amandil who could say "The innocent I saw was Brinn" and then we would know to trust Brinn saying "I saw an innocent/KM." It wouldn't do much good for the KM to kill Amandil because the leaves Elendil still who could keep dreaming and continue the line of trustworthy dreams from Brinn. This would seem to put under Elendil extreme risk of being discovered and having no Ranger protection, with Anarion being occupied protecting the dream-recipients (the innocent ones). Ideally it would be great to give Elendil as many chances as possible, but at the same time, there needs to be an established way to make sure Elendil is actually being relayed trustworthy dreams, otherwise Elendil (and thus the rest of us) is left in the dark, unsure if the relayed information is true or not.
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