WW: XCVIII ~ Game Thread ~ Death at the Foot of Taniquetil

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

People who didn't post yesterDay, even if you won't have time for a proper post until later in the Day, if you see this thread, could you make a quick post early on, if possible? That way we'll know whether you're still at risk of mod-fire. And players who didn't vote, could you tell us whether you're going to be able to vote toDay?

I could'n agree more with this.

And Shasta has already shown himself... Greenie knows the game has begun and will most probably post something toDay - it is just that it is about 2 am here in Finland (and I'm going to sleep as well) so it might take some time she's going to be around.

Skip and Sally I know nothing about, but have the vague idea Sally posted something on the admin thread (or somewhere) and thence I suggested Skip. I might be wrong with Sally though and could suggest her as well, unless they don't turn out (and needs to check that tomorrow - not toMorrow aka. D3 - whether Sally has made a comment on being around or not).

And this later thought that two wolves know each other and thusly their choices are less likely to succeed must be bore in mind. It sounds odd indeed, but if it is the case, then we might have all our wolves active... which would sound more reasonable indeed.


There is sadly little to go for from yesterDay both because of the low posting but also because the wolves most probably didn't know each others - or only two of them knew each other. So not much to delve into there by the way of helping a mate there or something like that we could try to catch on.

But it (yesterda's voting & relations of people) should be looked after anyway as there is little else to do while waiting others to post. But I'm off to sleep now. See you later toDay...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

the wolves most probably didn't know each others - or only two of them knew each other.

Well, obviously one of the two is true as they didn't manage to kill anyone in a village with no ranger to deny their kill...

[satansaloser2005]

I am terribly sorry about yesterDay, everyone. I have had a horrific week thus far, and I only remembered the game started because my prince had asked me to tell our charming moddess of his own absence. Sadly, tonight and tomorrow will likely be light on WW as well, but I shall do my best to make up for it thereafter.

I suppose I should probably go read the thread now....

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I suppose I should probably go read the thread now....

The muffin should do that...

[Pomegranate]

Okay, I see your point. But I do feel that you're now thinking a bit pessimistically.

Yes, the best material we could get from a normal day 1 would be hints of collaboration. But I don't think it is only that. I think we can also see something from the "wolf-hints" and how people react to those (as I was trying to do regarding Nerwen's howl), from the way people react to discussions, to accusations etc. that tend to rise eventually when people post seriously. It is maybe not quite as tight evidence of anything, but it is something to start the game with. Which is more than nothing, and should be more than if we'd just all 'act wolvishly'.

...But I admit I didn't think it that much yesterday, it was more just 'I want more stuff to analyse and people to have to take responsibility of their posts!'

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Yes, the best material we could get from a normal day 1 would be hints of collaboration. But I don't think it is only that. I think we can also see something from the "wolf-hints" and how people react to those (as I was trying to do regarding Nerwen's howl), from the way people react to discussions, to accusations etc. that tend to rise eventually when people post seriously. It is maybe not quite as tight evidence of anything, but it is something to start the game with. Which is more than nothing, and should be more than if we'd just all 'act wolvishly'.

Agreed. And I'm probably just not so pessimistic. One just has to try and make people post...

And did people have more reactions to my suggestion on D1, the laying out of it would have been a nice one - and might have given us some hints as the reactions would go -but sadly there were only like so few posts yesterDay the point of it kind of melted away...

Post people, post!

C'mon! (to sleep now on my part...)

[Galadriel55]

*proclaims loudly*

What game of 'Wolf is this, when most
Of all the players do not post?

*turns to stone in the sunlight*

[Coppermirror]

I'm very rattled right now over a real life thing which I've just found out is almost certainly going to drink up the little bit of free time I'd intended to spend on this game. It's likely that my activity, which was not that hot anyway, is going to go down, and it's possible I may just have to drop out. I won't drop out toDay, at least. (Is this game cursed or something? Players not showing, and MCR also having real life trouble. Are we going to be most mod-fired game in history?) But if I'm still alive by Day 4 it's likely that I won't be able to do anything more than avoid getting mod-fired, and there is just no way I can be here on Day 5. I'm very sorry. I'll do my best to contribute what little I can, but my mind is not going to be on the game.

That said. *rolls up sleeves*

My impressions so far
Nog: He put a lot of effort into keeping the game going, both yesterDay and toDay. I find it hard to believe that a wolf would be going to those sorts of lengths when he could just sit back and watch nothing happen. That in itself could be a wolf strategy, but eh, I'm inclined to think that Nog is not very suspicious at the moment.
MCR: She seemed earnest and serious. She followed my vote for Rune, but for a different reason than my vote. This might, possibly, have been something she would consider a safe, non-suspicious vote. She's not going to be around much, and that worries me.
Pom: Didn't show up to vote. Seems to have reasonable content to their posts, and I do think the suggestion of looking for wolf-hints is good. Overall it seems hard to get a reading on Pom's posts.
Boro: Only one post, and with fairly little substantive content. I didn't see anything especially suspicious about it. Like so many of us, he's just got to post something more.
Nerwen: Only one post. It's quite likely she was just joking, but if she wasn't...that doesn't necessarily mean that she's a wolf. Pom touched on that point earlier, and I think it's correct. It could be a signal to wolves, but one or two people looking a little bit wolfish would actually be a reasonable, if risky, strategy on the first day, in order to attract the wolves' attention and perhaps get them to waste a dream on an ordo.
Shasta: Has said next to nothing. This is very concerning.
Sally: Likewise. And ditto to it being concerning.

The people who haven't shown up yet: worry me very much. I have no information to go on here.

It's worthwhile to analyse yesterDay's content, but that's not enough, especially as so many players weren't here or active then. Those people must talk. We need a discussion topic. What about trying to think of an overall strategy for the village, or for trying to think of what strategies the wolves are likely to be pursuing? It may not be a good idea to discuss who the wolves are likely to want to kill, though, since they're obviously in a position where their strategy has been ineffective, and we don't want to give any pointers.

[Coppermirror]

I should vote soon.

Out of the people who have been posting, the one I have the most suspicion of is Pom. However, that's not based so much on the actual things that have been said. It's an overall impression, and actually, a lot of the things that are supposedly suspicious about things Pom has said don't seem to stand out as suspicious to me. So...no real evidence, but a gut feeling. In a situation where Pom is one of the most active players, has been contributing to the discussion, and seems to generally make good points. I could vote for Pom, even though it would feel unfair.

Or I could vote for someone quiet. Like Nog considers above, there is the option of voting for someone who's going under the radar but is not likely to be mod-fired. That would mean Sally or Shasta. I have nothing to go on with them at all. But...are they going to make it here in time to vote toDay? If they don't, won't they be mod-fired? If they do, there should at least be their voting record and any reasons they might give for their vote to look at the next Day. But unless their content picks up, they'll still be submarines.

Cross-posted with lots of people.

[Coppermirror]

Sally's shown up, and is posting plenty of content. Won't vote for her. Shasta has shown up, and is reading the posts, and may get back to us with content too.

And the more I look at Pom's posts, the more helpful and reasonable they seem. Gahh.

I have to vote right now, so:

++Shasta

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Boro: I feel a bit doubtful about his lack of internet leading to long enough, yet unsubstantial post - you had time to go through us all, but not go through what had been said? Then again, there was not a lot to analyse, and Boro both brings up the case against Nerwen and votes for her, which raises his points in my head since it is a relatively valid point (as much as anything is valid on day 1) and thus he risks the lynching of a potential pack mate. Then again (again), there's nothing that will make me trust Boro anything more than a bit :P

And that's the way I like to keep things, one you can never trust nor be comfortable with for any extended period of time.

Of those posting and participating more actively than myself, I really have no desire to vote for to lynch today. It's hard to want to lynch those contributing on vague misfeelings when there is a good crowd of quiet. I mean we all hang on our words and actions eventually. Eventually the chatty wolf has to lie or give red herrings when they're words (posts) don't match their actions (votes and night kills).

At this point with very little in the way of words, and even less in actions, I don't like the prospect of lynching anyone who is being active.

Looking at the limitted actions..Rune and Nog voted for Pom. Rune is dead proven innocent. Nog's reason to tie and see which one the rest would do, or possibly save, but unfortunately no more votes after. Copper and MCR both voted Rune, and look reasonable enough. He had at that point made 1 post and basically repeated Nerwen.

So, it seems ever more likely I will vote for someone who have been less active than me...Shasta, sally, Skip...if any of you are around, please start adding, something. Anything.

Edit: crossed with sally...well yes, that qualifies as "something."

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

So, it seems ever more likely I will vote for someone who have been less active than me...Shasta, sally, Skip...if any of you are around, please start adding, something. Anything.

Oh, my sweet Boro, what have you done? You seek to harm me? I am stunned into (or rather, out of) silence.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The muffin should do that...

Wait a sec. Wilwa is playing?! How did I miss that?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Wait a sec. Wilwa is playing?! How did I miss that?

Sorry, I meant the Cupcake...

[Nerwen]

To take up Pomegranate's point: as far as giving us something to analyse goes, it doesn't really matter that the wolves didn't all know each other on Day One (as we now know for certain). The usual "find people trying to protect each other" method goes out the window, sure– but, to replace that, we should be able to detect them trying to make contact/plan the kill choice. I say "should": the *real* problem is that there was so little activity yesterDay, it's statistically possible that no wolf posted at all.

On the subject of probabilities and statistics– Coppermirror, the village *always* has to catch a wolf in the first few Days. I have to tell you, new players quite often go through a phase where they tie themselves in knots over this fact, but honestly, it's just how WW works.

EDIT:X'd with Coppermirror.