Taters to Taters - II

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

But then he does become a turncoat, although I liked the previous points on Grima (and think the same applies to Ted). That is, Grima's malice was fueled for personal gain and better social standing...Glaurung and The Mouth of Sauron's malice was right down to simple satisfaction and cruel enjoyment.

Very much agreed!

PS. Rune: your PM box is full...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Very much agreed!

PS. Rune: your PM box is full...

I know, I like it this way. (It is taken care of now)

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

By the way, who were the two connected minds coming up with Fangorn and huorns?

I did huorns. And if I was able to post more I would have convinced you to pick them.


It's the second time I do it. Last game Nog and I played Elwing and Earendil together. This game Huorns and Fangorn. I'm curious about who me matie is this time.

[Boromir88]

Lommy these are the "Classic" taters to choose from:

Taniquetil
The Void
Galadriel
Elendil the Tall
Gorgoroth
The Noldor
Samwise Gamgee
The Last Alliance
Gandalf the White

And exactly like Huorn - Fangorn, it appears 2 of you are on the same wavelength this round:

Mandos
Doom of Mandos

[Gwathagor]

"Classic" is a hard one. I guess it works if you apply it to the characters...Gandalf, Elendil, Galadriel, and Samwise.

But the Void?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

"Classic" is a hard one. I guess it works if you apply it to the characters...Gandalf, Elendil, Galadriel, and Samwise.

But the Void?

I would actually see this the other way around... How could you call persons like Elendil, Galadriel, or Samwise classics? Yes they could be classics in the more superficial sense that they have become "classics" by the works of Tolkien, but which are the real classics? I mean those that are what they are through the ages?

The Void fits perfectly as so many creation myths from the Babylonians to the Vikings tell about the primordial abyss or void that was conquered by the Gods to make order and the Middle-Earth for men to live. Like what was the Ainulindalë: creating life and order from chaos by the power of the Gods.

Or to take another example: Hades was both the name of the god and the place where the spirits dwelled in ancient mythology - and it was neither evil or good but it just was. And Hades was one of the most important in the pantheon, and he has a wife dwelling there, Persephone, "the formidable, venerable majestic queen of the shades, who carries into effect the curses of men upon the souls of the dead" - sounds like Vairë? Aka Mandos fits perfectly into the classics as he / it is just a continuation of a more general, classic myth.


The Last Alliance? The Armageddon, the primordial fight between the Good and the Evil - and one which then historically was not the Apocalypse but only a sequence in the historical time, a changing into a different world? It is such a classical feature in the literature - and always kind of not standing to it's name - like it doesn't in the Tolkien Universe (so a classical way of interpreting it!).

Well, giving in with one character as well; Gandalf then... the resurrected, the one who comes through death to save the others? That is soo classic from Osiris, Baal, Jesus... A true classic as well.

[Meneltarmacil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

And exactly like Huorn - Fangorn, it appears 2 of you are on the same wavelength this round:

Mandos
Doom of Mandos

I think you could make a case for Elendil/The Last Alliance as well.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am not too keen on:
Samwise Gamgee
Gandalf the White
and
Gorgoroth

but it seems fair points can be made about the rest.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Gandalf, Sam and Galadriel are probably classic in the same way. Of those, I would possibly think the two Gs to be a bit better. After all, they had much more time to be around to be classic. Though personally, I don't think you can call a person "classic". Unless it was Gollum. I would call HIM classic, but hardly anyone else.

For the same reason, Elendil, who is probably classic figure in Númenorean history, does not go, otherwise I like him. And the same goes for Mandos. He is just another of the Valar, not different from Manwë or Ulmo. They are classic in their own way, more than "normal" people, but if that's enough...

The Doom of Mandos is "classic" in several ways. It's most of all, a "classic requisite of a classic tale" for Middle-Earthians (like when you say, Epic of Gilgamesh or Odyssey here), but also it is "classic" in the same way it is similar to e.g. some ancient sagas from our world: all this being bound by fate is a very classic aspect of lots of these Greek and terrible Nordic sagas and all.

The Void... despite Nog's argumentation, I'm not really buying it. Taniquetil could be considered classic, certainly more than all the other places. From all the places, I would choose it.

I would, however, argue for Gorgoroth being classic. At least, I would not be so fast to dismiss it as some people have. It is the land of evil, the place of the classic battle (of the classic Last Alliance, but that's another thing), and the place of the classic ending of the classic tale from Lord of the Rings. So from in-Middle-Earth perspective (let's say Fourth Age perspective - or our, Seventh Age perspective? ), I would say it's valid.

Like I said, the Last Alliance is definitely a classic. Again, it is a classic requisite of a classic tale - like the fall of Troy in our world, let's say.

And the Noldor, who are undisputably classic requisites of a classic tale, and not of just one: they are pretty classic. There isn't probably anything more... "everyday" in all the old sagas than the Noldor.