The Transit of Earendil - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Inziladun · 06-03-2012, 11:47 AM

An interesting topic, I must say.

Since the "meeting" of Elwing with Eärendil is described as being an infrequent, unpredictable event, I'd put it forth that a comet might be responsible for the Elwing-sighting.

From the description given, "like a white bird, shining, rose-stained in the sunset", I think something like this is a plausible representation.

jallanite · 06-03-2012, 02:01 PM

According to Kristine Larsen in page 77 of “Sea Birds and Morning Stars” (Tolkien and the Study of His Sources, Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland, 2011), Elwing is the planet Mercury.

She points out that Mercury, as the planet closest to the sun, is like Venus (Eärendil), a morning and evening star, but because of its dimness and it tending to be in the light of the sun is far less visible than Venus.

Larsen’s article may be the first time that this theory has been published. But the identical theory was suggested to me by Chris Gilson at Mythcon 10, July 1979, and seemed logical to me then. So it is not a new theory.

Larsen adds that “Mercury’s low angular light above the horizon gives it a color referred to by various observers as yellow, ochre, or rose.” This fits with Tolkien describing Elwing rising to attempt to meet Eärendil as “rose-stained in the sunset”.

Inziladun · 06-03-2012, 02:18 PM

That makes sense, though it's a little difficult to see a planet appearing as a "white bird".

Lalwendë · 06-03-2012, 04:50 PM

It might be another case of metaphors (like the Balrog) - Tolkien says "like a white bird". It may be more to do with the rising than looking like a bird? I like this theory. We've got a couple of articles about Tolkien and astronomy at home (and other scientific subjects) but I didn't find anything to explain this passage about Elwing at all.

If anyone finds anything which may be some kind of reference to the Transit of Venus that would be fantastic. I started out by looking for these, failed, and found that odd reference to Elwing instead. I wouldn't be surprised if there were none as Tolkien never experienced one in his lifetime, there was a large gap between 1882 and 2004. He must have experienced the eclipse of 1927 and he does explain these in a Middle-earth context.

jallanite · 06-03-2012, 07:25 PM

Tolkien writes:

And it is said that Elwing learned the tongue of birds, who herself had worn their shape; and they taught her the craft of flight, and her wings were of white and silver-grey. And at times, when Eärendil returning drew near again to Arda, she would fly to meet him, even as she had flown long ago when she was rescued from the sea.

Elwing does not fly in a sky-craft like her husband Eärendil but flies like a bird on white and grey wings that the Elves have made for her and so naturally can be described as being “seen like a white bird”.

Kristine Larsen considers the story of Eärendil and Elwing to be based in part on discrepant Greek myths of Ceyx and (H)alyone. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceyx and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcyone . The same idea appears in The Keys of Middle-Earth by Stuart D. Lee and Elizabeth Solopova (Palgrave Macmillan: Basingstoke, 2005). In one fragment in The Book of Lost Tales: Part II (p. 255) Elwing never regains her human form but is destined to be unfound by Eärendil until the Faring Forth. It is possible that at this stage in the tale Elwing was conceived as actually being in the form of a seabird when she flew after her husband and Tolkien has later changed it to a disenchanted Elwing clothed and winged to appear somewhat like a seabird.

Note that while Tolkien’s Eärendil becomes the Dawn-star the Greek Ceyx is son of the Dawn-star.

06-03-2012, 11:47 AM	#1
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	An interesting topic, I must say. Since the "meeting" of Elwing with Eärendil is described as being an infrequent, unpredictable event, I'd put it forth that a comet might be responsible for the Elwing-sighting. From the description given, "like a white bird, shining, rose-stained in the sunset", I think something like this is a plausible representation. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

06-03-2012, 02:01 PM	#2
jallanite Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 479	According to Kristine Larsen in page 77 of “Sea Birds and Morning Stars” (Tolkien and the Study of His Sources, Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland, 2011), Elwing is the planet Mercury. She points out that Mercury, as the planet closest to the sun, is like Venus (Eärendil), a morning and evening star, but because of its dimness and it tending to be in the light of the sun is far less visible than Venus. Larsen’s article may be the first time that this theory has been published. But the identical theory was suggested to me by Chris Gilson at Mythcon 10, July 1979, and seemed logical to me then. So it is not a new theory. Larsen adds that “Mercury’s low angular light above the horizon gives it a color referred to by various observers as yellow, ochre, or rose.” This fits with Tolkien describing Elwing rising to attempt to meet Eärendil as “rose-stained in the sunset”. Last edited by jallanite; 06-03-2012 at 02:07 PM.

06-03-2012, 02:18 PM	#3
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	That makes sense, though it's a little difficult to see a planet appearing as a "white bird". __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

06-03-2012, 04:50 PM	#4
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	It might be another case of metaphors (like the Balrog) - Tolkien says "like a white bird". It may be more to do with the rising than looking like a bird? I like this theory. We've got a couple of articles about Tolkien and astronomy at home (and other scientific subjects) but I didn't find anything to explain this passage about Elwing at all. If anyone finds anything which may be some kind of reference to the Transit of Venus that would be fantastic. I started out by looking for these, failed, and found that odd reference to Elwing instead. I wouldn't be surprised if there were none as Tolkien never experienced one in his lifetime, there was a large gap between 1882 and 2004. He must have experienced the eclipse of 1927 and he does explain these in a Middle-earth context. __________________ Gordon's alive!

06-03-2012, 07:25 PM	#5
jallanite Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 479	Tolkien writes: And it is said that Elwing learned the tongue of birds, who herself had worn their shape; and they taught her the craft of flight, and her wings were of white and silver-grey. And at times, when Eärendil returning drew near again to Arda, she would fly to meet him, even as she had flown long ago when she was rescued from the sea. Elwing does not fly in a sky-craft like her husband Eärendil but flies like a bird on white and grey wings that the Elves have made for her and so naturally can be described as being “seen like a white bird”. Kristine Larsen considers the story of Eärendil and Elwing to be based in part on discrepant Greek myths of Ceyx and (H)alyone. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceyx and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcyone . The same idea appears in The Keys of Middle-Earth by Stuart D. Lee and Elizabeth Solopova (Palgrave Macmillan: Basingstoke, 2005). In one fragment in The Book of Lost Tales: Part II (p. 255) Elwing never regains her human form but is destined to be unfound by Eärendil until the Faring Forth. It is possible that at this stage in the tale Elwing was conceived as actually being in the form of a seabird when she flew after her husband and Tolkien has later changed it to a disenchanted Elwing clothed and winged to appear somewhat like a seabird. Note that while Tolkien’s Eärendil becomes the Dawn-star the Greek Ceyx is son of the Dawn-star. Last edited by jallanite; 06-04-2012 at 06:58 PM.