Meeting at the Town Cobbler (WW XCV game thread)

[Macalaure]

My first impression of the McCaber-kill was that it made sense. Inzil and I look most innocent after the voting yesterHour(???) and were thus likely ranger picks. Unless they thought I was the seer (obviously not the case), it was not worth going after either of us. McCaber looked pretty innocent (I thought), so he was a good no-trace kill, since the only solid thing he leaves is some early strategy discussion and him thinking Inzil and me are innocent. He did also say that he liked Greenie least among the one-posters.

Analyzing the voting, I noticed that Nog was in fact only the third person to mention Greenie negatively (Rikae and McCaber did so before). If he's a wolf who knew that Wilwa might be in moderate trouble, picking up on the mild suspicions of others, elaborating on them, and placing a preventative vote, would make sense to protect his fellow. Much more innocent-looking than waiting for a Wilwa-vote and then trying to put up a competing bandwaggon on the fly.

I do like Nog's point against me. It's wrong, but I still like it. If I was a wolf and Wilwa innocent, that's definitely something I could see myself doing. However, I would have been more strongly about telling people to make the tie possible (while hoping and being optimistic that it would fail). Doing wolf-on-wolf in such a situation is an entirely needless risk, though.

And, yes, I did think a tie would have been a good idea. There was little participation and the village had virtually no clue what it was doing. Our chances were little above the random 27%.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

My first impression of the McCaber-kill was that it made sense. Inzil and I look most innocent after the voting yesterHour(???) and were thus likely ranger picks. Unless they thought I was the seer (obviously not the case), it was not worth going after either of us. McCaber looked pretty innocent (I thought), so he was a good no-trace kill, since the only solid thing he leaves is some early strategy discussion and him thinking Inzil and me are innocent.

Yes, but if it was only a no-trace they were after, some better targets might come to mind. Lottie, Shasta, and Rikae, for some.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Analyzing the voting, I noticed that Nog was in fact only the third person to mention Greenie negatively (Rikae and McCaber did so before). If he's a wolf who knew that Wilwa might be in moderate trouble, picking up on the mild suspicions of others, elaborating on them, and placing a preventative vote, would make sense to protect his fellow. Much more innocent-looking than waiting for a Wilwa-vote and then trying to put up a competing bandwaggon on the fly.

Nog's vote, the first of Hour 1, does look better than if it had come later.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

And, yes, I did think a tie would have been a good idea. There was little participation and the village had virtually no clue what it was doing. Our chances were little above the random 27%.

I was antsy about voting for anyone Hour 1, but in the end I felt no one leaving would play to the baddies more. I still think that would have been much better for committee members who didn't know one another. That might look a bit bad for Eönwë, putting up Lottie at the last minute and making, as far as he knew, a three-way tie.

[Loslote]

Sorry I'm late! My cab driver took a shortcut through Canada...I think he might have been avoiding the storm. I'm here now, though! [/IC]

Really, though, sorry I'm late.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

As I said here, however, I think not voting would have been the obvious option for baddies in the dark.
I did suggest, and considered it. If I were one of the committee, I could have easily followed through on it with consistency.

Zil's point here makes sense, but I don't like the way he phrases it, especially not the last sentence. It's natural to defend yourself, but this feels a bit too...needlessly defensive, considering that he was one of the two people who killed our first committee member.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Zil's point here makes sense, but I don't like the way he phrases it, especially not the last sentence. It's natural to defend yourself, but this feels a bit too...needlessly defensive, considering that he was one of the two people who killed our first committee member.

Well, I thought it was self-evident. Since Nog brought it up though, I felt the need to hammer it home.

This is all since my last? I trust Shasta made it through the storms all right?

[Rikae]

I don't understand.

What indication was there that the committee didn't know each others' identities on Day 1? It seemed like a pretty straightforward case of not being able to PM each other (because it was day). The identities of other wolves are commonly sent in the role pm - looks to me like Sally is just leaving it open to create mystery now that Nog brought it up.
As for Nog's use of it, it doesn't seem necessary as an explanation for why the committee would want to skip yesterHour's lynch, anyway. They only needed to eliminate five people: five hours if they were lucky. I'm sure they would prefer that three of those hours be on their own terms, ie, "night", rather than three up for risky voting.
I'm also a bit confused about your vote, Inzil. All's well that ends well and everything, but you'd expressed a desire to tie the votes earlier, and then broke the tie, explaining it by saying you trusted Mac. What was that about?

[Rikae]

Wait, ok, I see that Inzil says he changed his mind.

[Inziladun]

Voting in four hours! Even for such few players, things surely are quiet.

Originally Posted by Rikae

What indication was there that the committee didn't know each others' identities on Day 1? It seemed like a pretty straightforward case of not being able to PM each other (because it was day). The identities of other wolves are commonly sent in the role pm - looks to me like Sally is just leaving it open to create mystery now that Nog brought it up.

Sally had considered before beginning the game the possibility of the committee not knowing one another the first Hour. Her first post in the Game Thread still leaves some ambiguity, saying only that the baddies would not be able to talk before the opening of the first Day phase.

Originally Posted by Rikae

As for Nog's use of it, it doesn't seem necessary as an explanation for why the committee would want to skip yesterHour's lynch, anyway. They only needed to eliminate five people: five hours if they were lucky. I'm sure they would prefer that three of those hours be on their own terms, ie, "night", rather than three up for risky voting.

Right. If they didn't know one another then, it would seem pretty edgy for them to have wanted to vote, when they could abstain with no penalty. Lynches are certainly a tool for baddies, but they're the only means for innocents to win the game, so it seems to me a tie would have been better for the committee (have I said that before? ).

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm also a bit confused about your vote, Inzil. All's well that ends well and everything, but you'd expressed a desire to tie the votes earlier, and then broke the tie, explaining it by saying you trusted Mac. What was that about?

I might have been a cross-post, but well 2 minute difference on the thread can range from 1.01 minutes to 2.59 minutes so it is hard to say. (EDIT: Or wait a minute... it is anyway not exact but at least between 1.31-2.29)

How is it Inzil? Was it a cross post or did you wish to get wilwa lynched?

Also another question to you Zil. You were clearly around at the DL between lastnightHour and thisHour, but you didn't feel the need to say anything before thisHour began and someone will/could be dead. It looked more like you waited for thisHour to begin and then posted something.

Can I ask what made you so sure you will not be dead and everything or anything you would have wished to say (as your testament, if one wishes to put it that way) would remain unvoiced forever? I mean sure you had thought about things after your last visit and if you were killed by the wolves (removed by the committee) your words would have been listened to - not as infallible truths but - as a POV of an innocent. You know full well who can be secure not to die during the Nights...


On an other issue that springs to my mind at this moment...

Rikae wished to vote and make a difference but failed to do so. Mac wished to make a tie and managed to get a wolf lynched... Talk about the difference between words and deeds.


Okay. Back to reading.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I might have been a cross-post, but well 2 minute difference on the thread can range from 1.01 minutes to 2.59 minutes so it is hard to say. (EDIT: Or wait a minute... it is anyway not exact but at least between 1.31-2.29)

How is it Inzil? Was it a cross post or did you wish to get wilwa lynched?

An x-post with who? Mac? If so, the answer is no. I voted for Wilwa after seeing Mac's vote, with the intention of making a vote that counted.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also another question to you Zil. You were clearly around at the DL between lastnightHour and thisHour, but you didn't feel the need to say anything before thisHour began and someone will/could be dead. It looked more like you waited for thisHour to begin and then posted something.

I haven't posted anything until now? Really? You might want to recheck that.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Can I ask what made you so sure you will not be dead and everything or anything you would have wished to say (as your testament, if one wishes to put it that way) would remain unvoiced forever? I mean sure you had thought about things after your last visit and if you were killed by the wolves (removed by the committee) your words would have been listened to - not as infallible truths but - as a POV of an innocent. You know full well who can be secure not to die during the Nights...

"Testament"? Oh! Well in that case, Wagner's Tannhäuser is my favorite piece of music, MST3K is a very funny TV show, and oatmeal made with whole milk, cinnamon, and blueberries is a very delicious breakfast!

Really, what were you looking for?

[Nogrod]

It seems Aganzir is not playing! (look at the disc. thread)

So what we actually have right now is 6 vs. 2

Rikae
Lottie
Shasta
Dun
Greenie
Nog
Mac
Steve

If we get the lynch wrong thisHour and the committee members manage to oust one more the nextHour it will be 4 vs. 2. Thas as such is not the red-light marker, but I don't like the way our numbers dwindle even if we manage to kill the wolves (remember that game where the villagers killed a wolf every Day and still lost?).

But the bigger problem right now I think is the power of two votes together the wolves can produce - especially as we seem to have these more or less non-participating players as well. *coughShastaLottiecough*

Luckily this "if you do not vote in two consecutive Hours, your vote will be cast randomly" -rule might after all save us...

But it would be much better if people voted instead of leaving it to that kind of random.


I see Zil has posted...