Meeting at the Town Cobbler (WW XCV game thread)

[McCaber]

And I'd say that wilwa being a wolf definitely means she had wanted to set up a false Seer play somewhere on down the line.

And she wanted to not raise any flags with the village on whether or not to lynch today. Lucky synchronicity there between Mac and Inzil to give us an early lead.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by McCaber

And I'd say that wilwa being a wolf definitely means she had wanted to set up a false Seer play somewhere on down the line.

And now, Nog is right. It does implicate Greenie.

[Macalaure]

Wow, guess I'm not that rusty after all.

I know it's not in the intended spirit of this game, but I would advise against too much analysis etc. during the night phase. It really only helps the wolves to sort out their own kill if they know who the inn thinks is innocent and who not. Usually they have some guesswork to do regarding the village's upcoming reaction to the lynch, which complicates their kill decision.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I know it's not in the intended spirit of this game, but I would advise against too much analysis etc. during the night phase. It really only helps the wolves to sort out their own kill if they know who the inn thinks is innocent and who not. Usually they have some guesswork to do regarding the village's upcoming reaction to the lynch, which complicates their kill decision.

I agree with this. The committee gets to discuss "real-time" what's said. I wouldn't say "no talking" either, just to watch what you say.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I agree with this. The committee gets to discuss "real-time" what's said. I wouldn't say "no talking" either, just to watch what you say.

Dangit, Inzil. Every time I try to get ahead in the post count apparently you have something to say. If you hadn't found a wolf, I might be getting a bit upset right now.

/good-natured ribbing

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Dangit, Inzil. Every time I try to get ahead in the post count apparently you have something to say. If you hadn't found a wolf, I might be getting a bit upset right now.

/good-natured ribbing

Something.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I agree with this. The committee gets to discuss "real-time" what's said. I wouldn't say "no talking" either, just to watch what you say.

Yep.

I just meant the long-y analysis posts or any points one wouldn't expect anybody to come up with by themselves.

They will be able to see the general flow of opinions, there's nothing that can be done about that. Considering how unpredictable the reaction to even fairly clear gifted reveals can sometimes be, that's a significant advantage.

If I were into conspiracy and odd tactics, I'd say let's all post stuff we don't really mean during the night.

I'm suspecting Inzil quite a bit right now. His vote looks incredibly fishy to me.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I'm suspecting Inzil quite a bit right now. His vote looks incredibly fishy to me.

I think you'll have my vote next Hour as well. It's best to be sure.

A rather slow start to the game, but I foresee interesting times ahead. I'd expect nothing less from a Sally-moddess.

[A Little Green]

Bleh. So sorry for yesterDay! I don't think I've ever before remembered a game is on (and even posted, for heaven's sake!) and then forgotten it again, but apparently that is possible. *rolleyes* As for me not trusting the Seer to realize the PMs could be used to contact known innocents - hmm, I guess I'm just not that good with twists, but I certainly didn't think of that before Wilwa pointed it out. (Though I confess I didn't speculate a whole lot about the rule twists in general, it might have occurred to me had I stopped to think.) The deal is, I can be decent at spotting wolves when innocent, or playing innocent when a wolf, but I'm lousy with twists and plots and bluffs. My brain doesn't work that way, for which reason I often miss stuff others find obvious.

Originally Posted by Nog

Well, my suspicion on Greenie rests on the "committee members" in fact not knowing each other - as that was how I somehow had read that piece in the rules earlier. In that case she might have had a motive to signal to her partner (and that would have been pretty witty way of doing it), but if they knew each other already, then that of course would have been futile and risky - something I don't think Greenie would have done.

What I find interesting, Nog, is that you suspected me already before you came up with a reason for it, yet now you act as if that reason (which, by the way, doesn't really work) was why you had started suspecting me in the first place.

Also, Inzil and Mac bring up a good point about not talking carelessly during the Night phases. Makes me a bit paranoid, actually!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

What I find interesting, Nog, is that you suspected me already before you came up with a reason for it, yet now you act as if that reason (which, by the way, doesn't really work) was why you had started suspecting me in the first place.

Well, now you clearly haven't read the thread or then I have expressed myself unclearly. The post you quote above is one after it was "revealed" (= someone asked about it & I checked the rules and found them ambiguos indeed) we actually don't know whether the wolves knew each other from the beginning of the game or not. As I had thought things from the POV of them not knowing each others identities I thought you looked pretty fishy indeed, but with the possibility that the wolves actually knew each other already that theory would go down the drain. And I posted to just make that point: that whether I suspect you or not from now on, depends a lot on the rules being this or that way.

There is actually another issue we should think about if we knew the actual state of the affairs. I mean if the wolves didn't know each other I would say that it would have served the wolves' interests if we didn't lynch anyone on the first Hour. So looking at the developement of that "no lynch thisHour" idea and peoples reactions to it might be a good idea.

So could you SS tell us what the rule was?

Originally Posted by Greenie

Also, Inzil and Mac bring up a good point about not talking carelessly during the Night phases.

It just leaves us with a duty to define "careless talk".

No revelations to be sure during nightHours as the wolves can discuss tactics to counter them. I'm tempeted to add Mac's idea about not making any thorough analysis or coming forth with anything like "game-changer" ideas.

Which is kind of sad as we for once have a chance to talk 24/7 - and then it's better not to. But I think no can do.

Well, it will be easy to me thisHour as I'm now going to bury my head into a pile of essays for the rest of the day.

[satansaloser2005]

A cell phone vibrates against a wooden table. Its owner picks it up, illuminating the screen and reading the display.



1 New Message

It is our opinion that McCaber should not stay until morning. While he is chattery, he has said little to advance our discussions thus far. Also, he's eaten all the mints.

Regards



Mere moments later, McCaber receives a call via the Cobbler phone, which informs him that he is needed back home to attend to some work business. He leaves his drink on the bar, gathers his things, and walks out.

When he returns home, he finds a check for his expenses and a small cake.





In the Cobbler:
Rikae
Lottie
Shasta
Dun
Greenie
Agan
Nog
Mac
Steve


Checked out:
Boro (went to deal with his puppy after riding out the storm)
Wilwa (committee member, realized she left the oven on)
McCaber (guest, expelled for hogging the cashews)

[Inziladun]

What can we get from McCaber? These are the only posts that might stand out.

Here he refutes Greenie, who liked Wilwa's comments about the Seer getting the most benefit from private communications. He said that didn't mean Wilwa was evil, but also wasn't necessarily innocent because of that.

Maybe him being concerned about the Seer was a red flag? That's pretty shaky.

Here he says he gets "honest vibes" from me, but singles out Greenie as the one he liked least. He was non-committal about everyone else.

He failed to vote, and after DL said he thought Mac and I were probably innocent because of our votes.

And that's pretty much it. I wouldn't think his being targeted would point to Greenie on its own, since he wasn't very forceful about it, and didn't actially vote. That said, Greenie's support of Wilwa does raise an eyebrow for me.

[satansaloser2005]

Shasta sneaks off to his room. The weather is making him uneasy.


(The weather is bad in his area, so he may be here very little or not at all.)