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Old 03-14-2012, 04:52 PM   #1
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In the course of doing my reading for class today, I stumbled across a couple lines in Milton's Paradise Lost that reminded me instantly of this passage. The wording is somewhat different, but the fact that I was struck by the similarity is, by itself, an indication of something--even if it is only that I am really and truly wrecked by Tolkien for reading anything else.

O Progeny of Heav'n, Empyreal Thrones,
With reason hath deep silence and demur
Seiz'd us, though undismay'd: long is the way
And hard
, that out of Hell leads up to light


Paradise Lost, Book II, 430-433 (emphasis mine)
I actually can't believe this. I was just about to post that, because when I was reading it, one of my first thoughts was of this thread.
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:43 PM   #2
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I actually can't believe this. I was just about to post that, because when I was reading it, one of my first thoughts was of this thread.
I have to add to my previous contribution because... well, I am a dunce apparently--or at least an absent-minded professor. I completely glided over the fact that these lines have a footnote in my text:

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432. The line harks back to the Sibyl's warning to Aeneas (Aen. VI, 126-9) that the descent to Avernus is easy, and perhaps also to Virgil's warning to Dante (Inf. XXXIV, 95) as they prepare to ascend from the center of the earth toward Purgatory, that the way is hard. Cf. III, 21
Since it told me to check "III, 21", I did just that. It's part of a block of lines:

Taught by the heav'nly Muse to venture down
The dark descent, and up to reascend,
Though hard and rare: thee I revisit safe
--Paradise Lost
Book III, 19-21

Now... I'm still wary of reading too much into the possibility of a connection between Tolkien's use of "hard life and long" and Milton's "long is the way, and hard," but it *is* tempting... especially since Aragorn's entire life can easily be read as a hard journey, and long, through "hell" while he waits to win to paradise: wedding to Arwen and the attendant kingship of the Reunited Kingdoms.

In any case, it reads like very possible literary leafmould...
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