TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It was a splendid game, despite some hard time of understanding between some innocents (I thought people do know by this time that the phrase "Legate 180" which you have made up yourselves comes from the moment when I was innocent). And it was especially nice for me to play after some break (since autumn, I think). Well played, everyone - I think I am not exaggerating if I say that people on all sides really played to the best of their abilities this time. It was a tough one.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Sorry, wolves – I was trying to get a balance between making the game winnable for the Acolyte, without making it impossible for whatever side she *didn't* choose, but I think I erred on the side of the first. I just never expected Lommy would get the whole village on side so easily once she came out.

I have been thinking about it (after I died and Lommy told me about her new role) and I think it wasn't that unbalanced. It was really just that the set of coincidences ended up in all cases in the best way for the village. But there were things which could have failed on the line so many times - wrong dream, disbelief from the village's side, even up to Lommy being lynched... She was also very careful not to say anything that would raise too many eyebrows. I mean, if she had said "and btw, Wolves can't probably kill me at Night also", the village would surely have started being a bit more suspicious about her claim. Not to speak of more things she could have said. In general, yes, I think the Acolyte could have been somehow less powerful - it was basically a huge boost to whichever side she'd choose to be on - but I can't honestly think of a way to make it still equally possible for her to win the game while giving her less powers.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

You're kidding me. Pitch? Honestly? You were the one I was quite positive wasn't a wolf. Anyway, kudos to you 4, you did an amazing job! As well as kudos to our two Seers who more or less swung the game for us - I don't think we'd have stood a chance against a wolf pack of Nog-Boro-Shasta-Pitch!

Eexactly my words. I mean, of the four, I think Pitch would be among the last people I'd leave alive in the village, if it was up to me, maybe along with Sally and Lottie - and maybe I'd even let Sally go before him. I was quite suspicious of Boro (who however managed to get off the village's hook) and Shasta (who almost managed the same after my death, which I don't really understand; what was the village thinking? Later the topic of the Day was the Acolyte's dream, of course, but still, starting the Day by saying that Shasta is basically cleared...) And all the Bom-proposals... Shasta, was it really your plan to make us all who said "we hate random votes" to vote him, or was it supposed to be originally just your own, private excuse for your own vote?

I was at least capable of suspecting Nog (unlike in Pitch's case), even though I pretty much trusted him initially... more so than Eönwë... once again, sorry for that disbelief!!! But let this truly be a lesson to everyone, if you are convinced of someone's guilt, you really aren't looking left and right, especially if they out of the blue come with the claim that they are the Seer, you're just "oh no, seriously? Don't be silly...").

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Indeed, I did ask to be modfired. As I stated several times on Day 1, real life kept getting in the way. I would have loved to stay around, though, and great game to everyone.

I about died laughing on Day 2 watching you guys scramble around because of the narration of She Who Walks Among the Stars. Great job, Nerwen!

Quite so. I think such a plot device is very good and I'd have nothing against it being used more often.
But see, I said so! At least something I was right about in this game.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Hmph. And I had to spend all the next Day repeating that I wasn't responsible.

Indeed! The claim "Inzil is the Acolyte - the EVIL Acolyte - who killed Eruhen!" was the most ridiculous stretch I have ever seen in the whole WW history!!!

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Haha. There you go.
There's no denying that man is a psychic (before that quoted part he agrees with us others who wished to kill Rikae for being the hunter)...

Eek... totally.

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Greenie: I seriously hope I will never play in a game where you are a wolf. You are unreadable.

Yes. You shouldn't. She is. Always.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

But last time I was a wolf, and Legate was in the game (I think it was Shasta's Misty Mountains game). Legate went after me for the same reasons, and afterwards I told him don't stop pursuing that lead (of me being nicer when evil). I really don't know how I give it away, and I was trying to fix it for this game, because I told the pack that Legate knew my honey-coated wolvish behavior quite well. I think it's just an unconscious vibe I give away, and don't intend. Innocent-me, I don't care what happens to me, night-kill me, lynch me, trust me, I don't care I'm going to annoy people and just hopefully it's the wolves. Wolf-me, tries very hard not to be suspected.

Indeed, that's how it was Specifically: In that one game, I was pursuing Boro because of that, but he retorted by such a desperate defense (which he kept for like the whole day, if not more), that I started reconsidering and was like "okay, sorry, didn't want to upset you..." But after that, he turned out to be a Wolf indeed and told me that I should have held to my claim. So I told him that from then on, I am never going to let myself talked out of it if he does that again.

Anyway, it was really a great game. And even though I haven't been playing for some time, I still think I can say that it was one of the best games I've played "lately" (read: from the games I have actually played).

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I might have had something to do with that, from D1 onwards and specifically on D2. I was actually thinking he might be it myself (all this "I'm being cryptic" -stuff), but I had no problems in making it look like I was confident and having good reasons for it - in case the Acolyte was not on our side (he basically couldn't be on our side considering we already had 4 wolves in a village of 16) but could be lynched for possibly being on our side (Eruhen's death was such a kick of luck there!).

Thanks so much. I did give you all that opening, though, without intending to.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

It was a splendid game, despite some hard time of understanding between some innocents.

Heh, I couldn't believe you and I were tying up like that, when I knew I was innocent. That's really the only reason I suspected you, until you doubted Steve's reveal. Looking at it objectively, I can see why you were skeptical though. I just had a reason to believe him you lacked. At least I didn't vote for you.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Indeed! The claim "Inzil is the Acolyte - the EVIL Acolyte - who killed Eruhen!" was the most ridiculous stretch I have ever seen in the whole WW history!!!

When I awoke after that Day ended, I couldn't believe they'd lynched you and let Shasta get away with that! Innocents! But it all turned out to the good.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm curious to know what Lommy's role would have been had she joined the wolves.

[Galadriel55]

Shasta (in Night PM): no. way. You're like a Seer who dreams of everyone at once regardless of alignment!!!

Legate: from a dead innocent's POV you looked pretty bad after Eonwe's reveal, and if I was alive I would probably have voted you. Only your last posts sounded innocent, so I started thinking along the lines of "maybe not a spy...?" And I was banging my head against the wall when you turned out to be innocent. Next time we play together I'll keep the innocent-180 in mind.

Spies:

Originally Posted by Nog

I don't think it was that much doing it to the utmost as such, but well, playing in a way we would be hard to connect to each other... and well, without the host of seers it might even have worked.

That was big time wolf-on-wolf, whatever the strategy was, so kudos for that. Without the "seer machine-gun fire" I think you would have made it. I was really surprised with myself, actually, for suspecting Nog, because usually all one has to do to find out people's roles is take my impressions list and invert all the opinions. (ie the ones I suspect are innocent, and the ones I feel good about are the wolves). Pitch and Shasta, I didn't suspect you until you revealed. Boro - I didn't suspect you either, but I guess after falling into your sneaky trap the last time you were a wolf I tend to be a bit paranoid when it comes to making an opinion about you.

Amazing job, wolves! Hats off to you!

[Galadriel55]

A few more things. Firstly, it seems I've been giving out many reputation points lately, so I'm not allowed to give any out for the next day or so. So my apologies, unrepped ones! (though not for long, hopefully )

I have a question to Shasta. What was the motive behind the Bom-wagon?

And Lottie -

Originally Posted by Loslote

Manage to? Is this something you're hoping will happen?

(in reply to Pitch)

These things only happen coincidentally. Ironically, there was some suspicion for this post.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

A few more things. Firstly, it seems I've been giving out many reputation points lately, so I'm not allowed to give any out for the next day or so. So my apologies, unrepped ones! (though not for long, hopefully )

I have a question to Shasta. What was the motive behind the Bom-wagon?

And Lottie -



(in reply to Pitch)

These things only happen coincidentally. Ironically, there was some suspicion for this post.

Believe it or not, I was mostly transparent there. My feelings on people that just throw their votes away Day 1, and on non-participants, are fairly well-documented by now, and I went about the Bom-wagon just as I would have as an innocent. There was a bit of wolvish motivation, though - I was a bit concerned that the Finns might turn on Boro very late in the day, so I tool steps to prevent that from happening.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I have a question to Shasta. What was the motive behind the Bom-wagon?

I think I can answer that without consulting it from Shasta.

Did you think he was being true to his character as a person? Did you think he looked principaled and innocentish doing that run after Bom? Did you think a wolf would not expose himself like that as it would turn out Bom was innoent?

If you answered even waveringly 'yes' to any of the questions, then you have your answer...


EDIT: X'd with Shasta - sorry.

[Nogrod]

Good wolves are always transparent...

[Eruhen]

Shasta, you're seriously starting to creep me out. How many small forest animals did you have to sacrifice to get that power?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Shasta, you're seriously starting to creep me out.

I'm sure he's full of glee at reading this.

PS: Shasta: your plan worked well.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Shasta, you're seriously starting to creep me out. How many small forest animals did you have to sacrifice to get that power?

I suppose that depends on what you consider a "small forest animal"...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'm curious to know what Lommy's role would have been had she joined the wolves.

She would have had an optional (and, again, unreliable) Night-kill.