TIG XCIII - Betrayal at Henneth Annûn (Game thread)

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

My sweet prince Boro never fails to amaze me.

I live for it, I would request from you what are your general impressions on Agan and G55. But all I really want is your vote (and for the nasty 'Downs not to delete it!)

Originally Posted by Loslote

You know, I didn't even realize that I was following Agan's comment when I said mine until I saw that bolded in your post! It's the sort of thing you pass over when reading the rest of the post, but sticks in your mind...now I'm wondering if my thinking G55 suspicious was even my idea in the first place, or just my subconcious picking that up.

Ha, surprisingly I can actually believe that. It looks honest, at least, but I suppose a BN could miss it just as easily as anyone else. Still, won't trouble myself with that today.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Boro, I see what you mean now. But still, it's hard for me not to think that that post of Agan's was a bit of a joke. Just look at it:

Now surely, one who was actively annoyed by the silly unproductivity of the early posts would not add further to it by making joke suspicions? Look at Nog, his post, griped and then bowed out. He admits it added nothing to the productivity, but in fact it actually makes Nog look innocent to me. He said his griping about how the start was entirely too silly, but did not add to the behavior. Don't you see it?

Can't have it both ways here. And thus, if one is annoyed by the sillyness, than they aren't going to ADD to it. Now, Agan's obviously not going to vote anyone on her guilty list based on what she said in her first post...no certainly not. But that doesn't mean she wasn't serious in where she put people on her list. She will certainly change her mind (or at least act like she's changing her mind) as the day continues, but you can see the difference between your "list" and hers...yes?

You gave irrelevant and random suspecting of everyone. Agan, being annoyed by the behavior, took what was already posted and used it to form her list. There is certainly a rationale behind it, otherwise she would have no business complaining about the early day shenanigans.

Edit: crossed with everyone after #49

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I live for it, I would request from you what are your general impressions on Agan and G55. But all I really want is your vote (and for the nasty 'Downs not to delete it!)

A vote. But for whom?

Originally Posted by Boro

Now surely, one who was actively annoyed by the silly unproductivity of the early posts would not add further to it by making joke suspicions? Look at Nog, his post, griped and then bowed out. He admits it added nothing to the productivity, but in fact it actually makes Nog look innocent to me. He said his griping about how the start was entirely too silly, but did not add to the behavior. Don't you see it?

I see it, and I understand why her post could have been serious, unlike mine. But at the same time, how can you be serious if you accuse people for being "chaotic evil" for, or accuse in character (about the burial)? If Agan really wanted to add serious content, wouldn't she be doing it seriously?

I'm confused.

Agan, just tell me please where were you serious so I can finally put this issue in the "understood, done, and over with" box.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

So we're finally into the actual "discussion" part of Day 1? Lovely.

What I've seen thus far is Boro being his typical manipulative self, Agan being annoyed (can hardly blame her), and G55 being under the spotlight today.

I must say I agree with most of what Rune has said; at least, that we have the same sentiments.

I did notice something that G55 said earlier that reminds me terribly of a ploy I've used as a wolf - near the beginning, she tried to get people to drop the subject in a "okay, done, move it along folks, nothing to see here" kind of way. That much is just an observation, but I know it's something I've done as a wolf when I felt like too much heat was about to be focused my way.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh, look, she did it again!

[Bom Tombadillo]

Blrrrrg. Day 1's . . . even once serious discussion starts, I can never keep them straight.

We dursn't like Shasta, no, precious, we dursn't like him at all. Nice G55 just seems to want answers and avoid misunderstandings (nasty, nassssty misunderstandings) to me - so would we, were we less busy reveling in the chaos.

[Boromir88]

So, I kind of just been hit with an unexpected backslap of bad news. I'll be ok as far as continuing on with the game, but at the moment I seriously can't focus and don't want to spend the next few hours fighting with myself to try to stay focused.

I'd feel wrong voting for anyone under these circumstances. The most suspicious to me has been Agan, but I've been holding off to wait and hear her response before actually deciding on a vote.

Next would probably be Inzil, I just think he's playing sly and careful right now. As if he's waiting around to see which way the winds are blowing before committing anything more sincere. Which always gives me BN-ish vibes.

I'd like it not at all if sally or G55 gets lynched, but that's based on general impression and feelings of innocence and not on any strong reasoning.

That's all. Sorry everyone.

Edit: crossed with G55

[Galadriel55]

I'm sorry to hear that, Boro. I hope it works out in the end.

[Pomegranate]

Boro, hope you're okay, you shouldn't stress about this.

I did actually consciously notice Agan's comment about jumpiness. I had noted that myself, being the one G55 jumped at, but didn't consider it worthy of mentioning, thinking it was more my lack of being able to emphasise my jokes than anything else. With the second comment to Agan's lists she raised my suspicion level by acting again in the somewhat panicked, if only half-serious manner. I did borrow the word from Lommie and Agan, but I genuinely did think about the suspicion myself.

Have to love Boro's theory, and I would think it would've been a wonderful plot from Agan, if it were. I'm not sure about either of them, and I want to hear Agan's reaction to all this. However, as I had noticed the jumpi-ness myself as well, I see that as a reasonable comment, which doesn't too strongly imply to her as being a BN.

I don't have the time to go through all of you, but I was disturbed by Bom's pretty uninformative post, went through the day and realised all her posts were pretty similar - not commenting anything or anyone strongly enough to raise suspicion/attention, but frequent enough for it to seem she's actively around. Now I don't know the normal playing techniques of everyone, so I can't know if that's just her/his way, but to me it gives a bad vibe. Though now I'm obviously playing on the same 'vibe' level as she is. However, maybe I could get something more out of her by this.

Oh, and PomPom/Nate/Pommy is a she and dislikes the name Meg in general. Thank you for all of these.

edit. I should preview these, I am so bad in this bolding thing.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have remained quiet for a while due to Boromir’s theory. My initial reaction to his theory was that it was a case of over-analyzing relatively mundane day1 suspicions. This was probably fuelled by the fact, that my initial reaction to Aganzir’s post was one of understanding.


However Boromir have managed to argue his case very well, especially his focus on the contradictions and borrowed elements in Aganzir’s post made me think twice. Should I abandon my initial feeling about Aganzir on the basis of a day1 analysis, that only really deal with a single post? I think I will decide against it, at least until further developments have taken place.

Boromir’s case is good and I definitely have good feeling about him, but Aganzir’s post strikes me as a typical first post. Of course one a first post can be the basis of a lynch and there definitely are some unanswered questions about the post, but I want to see more before voting for Aganzir. It is much more likely that I will vote for a person like Sally or BomT, both of which fails at being constructive in my opinion (so far).

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

So, I kind of just been hit with an unexpected backslap of bad news.

I hope it'll all turn out allright, Boro. You're excused for the Day as far as I'm concerned.

Everybody else: as you were.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Blrrrrg. Day 1's . . . even once serious discussion starts, I can never keep them straight.

We dursn't like Shasta, no, precious, we dursn't like him at all. Nice G55 just seems to want answers and avoid misunderstandings (nasty, nassssty misunderstandings) to me - so would we, were we less busy reveling in the chaos.

So why bother trying, amirite?

So, Bom doesn't like me from the very first statement of the game I make. Color me surprised. He also doesn't say why... but then, I suppose that's hardly surprising either.

Anyway.

Boro, I hope whatever's troubling you goes away.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

On one hand, my gut says Boro is genuine enough

Boro is never genuine. No matter what his role, he always has something up his sleeve and is no good to trust.

Originally Posted by Green

he might just try and pull off an easy Agan lynch (her being a relatively popular Day 1 lynch anyway)

Am not!

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Oh, we are dancing now? *secretly fist pumps* I should hope I'm better than last time we danced, or I dare say this will end badly for the both of us, but mostly for me.

Let's hope so.

Originally Posted by Boro

So the full explanation, of the classic BN attempt. Knowing Agan wanted to cut the garbage and get down to business, then her lists would be more meaningful than G55's list of randomness

I hate to disappoint you, but I'm afraid it isn't a lot better than Gal's. The difference is, she based it on things that had little or nothing to do with the actual gameplay while I used things people had said themselves. It's more to demonstrate that even though more than half the day had passed, there was no content whatsoever; and if I had had to vote then, I would've been forced to base it on IC stuff.
In answer to Gal: the list itself is serious (except what I said about Greenie). However it's also very indifferent, I never bothered to take pains to draw connections between things & people because I could have gathered pretty much nothing from it. It's not like I actually suspected you four at the moment. I wanted suspects, and you fit there the most easily. Do you see what I mean if I say it wasn't a joke, but it wasn't serious-serious either?

Originally Posted by Boro

That is to say, you were willing to vote based on either being annoyed, or to scare Bom, Glirdan, and sally into shaping up and NOT based on suspicions...yet you did the whole "let me give you some suspicions" thing well enough.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Boro

I admit, it may be cruel, because it must feel like I've used you as bait

It's not - I knew what you were up to, and I know you know, having done it before, that I don't mind being used for the greater good. At least as long as it doesn't get out of hand.

Originally Posted by Loslote

You know, I didn't even realize that I was following Agan's comment when I said mine until I saw that bolded in your post! It's the sort of thing you pass over when reading the rest of the post, but sticks in your mind...now I'm wondering if my thinking G55 suspicious was even my idea in the first place, or just my subconcious picking that up.

That's pretty much everything there is to werewolf, especially on day 1s. Someone gets the idea and half the people follow it. I'm not sure I agree with those who said this sounds genuine. Humble, yes, but I think it could go either way.

I accidentally scratched my eye and now it hurts. Just felt like sharing this with you because it's never happened before during these 8 years of long nails.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

After looking at this it was hard for me to take all the rest (innocent and either) seriously, until I reached the part where she said she'll vote the mock-voters. That got me confused. Agan, where were you serious and where were you not?

Actually, the list was more serious than saying I'd vote for the mock-voters. If no one has said anything of value, then I have to do with the random stuff if I want to suspect somebody.

Aww Boro I hope everything is ok! *snuggles*

[Galadriel55]

I'm trying to get my brain around making a serious joke list. So you wanted to make a serious one but had nothing to go off of so made up random opinions?

I'll get it eventually.

[Galadriel55]

It's strangely quiet for an hour before DL. Who's votimg whom?


My opinion about Zil and Rune hasn't changed, but these are likely to be throwaways. But what's a throwaway if everyone puts a random name down at the last second?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I'm trying to get my brain around making a serious joke list. So you wanted to make a serious one but had nothing to go off of so made up random opinions?

I'll get it eventually.

If I say it was neither serious nor a joke, it obviously can't be a serious joke list. Anyway I really don't see your issue with this. You seemed to take it as a joke until Boro said it's not, and you've made quite a fuss about it ever since. You also make me sound like I really really wanted to make a list because lists are the ultimate thing to do, or something (in other words, your interpretation of my actions is rather unflattering ).

You're also starting to sound like Greenie. In a bad way. In a way that eventually makes me fight her every time we play together. You can take it as a compliment if you like.

[Loslote]

I like what Rune says. His reasoning is clear and makes sense - plus I agree with a lot of it.

G55 still tips my wolf-dar, partially because of the jumpy thing earlier (I know it's probably a pick-up from Agan's post, but that doesn't make it any less valid a point) and partially because her posts so far seem like they're contributing, but when you look closer, they aren't actually that helpful - clarifying Lottie vs Lommie, Bom's gender, and asking Agan to clarify which bits are serious...in I believe five separate posts, which ended up just keeping the question open without ever adding anything new to it. It seems to me like she's trying to appear helpful without actually contributing.

PomeNate is doing exceptionally well for a newbie. Kudos.

Shasta and Boro, for now, feel very much like their normal, innocent selves. Obviously not going to pass them off as definitely innocent, but I feel comfortable with not focusing my attention on them too much yet.

I can never read Agan, but as far as I can tell, there's nothing too horrifingly Mordorian going on in her posts as of yet.

Anyone else needs to post more so I can get a read on them. *coughBom*cough*Sally*cough*Zil*cough*Greenie*cough*Glirdy*cough*Nog*cough*

EDIT: xed with two G55s. Would that be a 2G110?

[Inziladun]

Just returned from watching my daughter cheer a basketball game, and catching up.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Loslote

G55 still tips my wolf-dar, partially because of the jumpy thing earlier (I know it's probably a pick-up from Agan's post, but that doesn't make it any less valid a point) and partially because her posts so far seem like they're contributing, but when you look closer, they aren't actually that helpful - clarifying Lottie vs Lommie, Bom's gender, and asking Agan to clarify which bits are serious...in I believe five separate posts, which ended up just keeping the question open without ever adding anything new to it. It seems to me like she's trying to appear helpful without actually contributing.

Indeed, the last few posts were quite empty. All of them, if you consider stretching an argument over many posts one thing. But do you have suggestions for some talk?

This Day1 is even quieter than Day Ones usually are. There's usually some morsel that everyone chews on until DL, but here the only thing we have to discuss is Boro's accusation and Agan's defense. That was the only "big thing". It seems that Agan was being Agan and Boro was being Oldman. That's settled. Now what?

I hope to be more helpful when there's something to do.

Originally Posted by Lottie

EDIT: xed with two G55s. Would that be a 2G110?

No, it would be that I have been cloned.

Edit: xed since #71