Game Thread: TIG XCII - Disaster by the Lake

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Greenie

First off, the difference between your two options of how it could be read seem, to me, to be more or less the same thing.

And to me they look very different. This may be a question of semantics (or knowledge of language - to my inability then), but to me saying "never mind, then" is dismissing the whole idea, not the specific reason to suspect one.

Secondly, you seem to have forgotten that it was early on Day 1 and the original suspicion on Bom had not been a strong one. The "watching closely" part would have been quite unnecessary - it kind of goes without saying, at least to most of us, that dismissing a particular argument against somebody (especially early on Day 1) doesn't mean forgetting about them for the rest of the game.

I never said anything about the "rest of the game". The way it could be seen is to momentarily hold back off the idea when one sees it's getting controversial and people don't like what you say.

On the other hand I must return the amazement about some people forgetting it was earlyish on D1 when this controversy began. So did you - or anyone else - think I was thinking of having "strong cases" (I'm afraid some did think that way regarding the odd posts about my "not so strong arguments")? It was D1 and all most people did was banter for 2/3's of the Day! What I said about Gal - which you think was reaching and a reason to vote for me - was actually a question as to whether she is a or b... and what I said about Lottie was making an interpretation of her words - of which you made your own...

The way I read it, Lottie's "never mind" was referring to the particular point against Bom. She has confirmed this herself, which might be genuine or might not be.

Of course she confirmed it. Like you said, innocent or not, she had to confirm your interpretation. So I think you can not rely on that as a merit for your interpretation...

before you get worked up, yes, most reasons given on Day 1 are far-fetched

Don't worry. I need not get "worked up" as I totally agree. Although that is not always the case: I have seen good arguments on D1 - and even seen them giving results... but this game sure isn't one of them. Here we agree.

given that I had nothing to say about Zil, why should I have? Just to boost conversation on a topic I had nothing to contribute in and that was getting a bit too much attention as it was?

Well, here reality has already proved me wrong as Zil was innocent. So I'm actually wondering why do you feel the need to explain it... or do you just wish to twist the knife in my belly by reminding me of my bad suspicion?

Yeah, good to know the tendency to stay up later than is wise because of werewolf does run in the family!

PS. I hope I have not been "unkind" as you said back there. That has not been my intention.


EDIT: X'd with a lot it seems...

[Nogrod]

Btw. Agan is the cobbler.

[Nogrod]

Uh-oh... Kit. Sad to hear that. Be brave.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nog

Btw. Agan is the cobbler.

What?

I mean, she might be for all I know, but do you have reasons or are you completely bonkers now?

[Nogrod]

Sally 2 posts. Promised to be here this evening...

Galadriel and Nerwen 4 posts each. Little said thus far.

Bom 12 posts and promised to do things toDay - not seen him after that.

Bored ordos with bad morals? If they are wolves (some of them that is), then I'd just say they don't merit the spoils and we can say we are moral winners even if we lose.


Kit I think is out of the question at least for now for lynching. I started having some bad vibes from her becasue she sounded so reasonable, especially when she was talking about people who made "attacks" on me.

I mean if one learns something playing a lot of ww-games, it is that the people who are the nicest to you, people who back you in Daylight, most often stab you during the Night.

But like I said I'm not going to vote her toDay anyway.


That leaves us (me) little choice - and still too much, looking at the clock...

[Pitchwife]

This row between Agan and Shasta is interesting. Shasta's accusation of Agan pointing out a possibly gifted Bom is twisted (and was so yesterDay), because it rests on the equation "unusual = possibly gifted", and it has I think been agreed that Bom wasn't behaving unusual (by his standards), so the question of his being gifted because of that is moot to begin with.

And I kinda get what Agan says about Shasta reminding her of himself as a wolf. Much as I agree with him on not discussing gifteds, I've seen a Shastawolf using that same argument against innocents - which doesn't say, however, that an innocent Shasta can't do the same. I just can't read him.

Agan, on the other hand, is a sphinx to me (I think she'll like that). At times sensible, at times flamboyantly weird in a manner that reminds me of Fea. I'd still like to hear her explain her change of mind on Nog.


EDIT: x-ed from #145 down

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Btw. Agan is the cobbler.

I knew it!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And to me they look very different. This may be a question of semantics (or knowledge of language - to my inability then), but to me saying "never mind, then" is dismissing the whole idea, not the specific reason to suspect one.

OK, I think we're indeed discussing semantics here, but the thing is - the way I see it, the one specific argument was, at that point, "the whole idea".

What I said about Gal - which you think was reaching and a reason to vote for me - was actually a question as to whether she is a or b... and what I said about Lottie was making an interpretation of her words - of which you made your own...

Concerning Gal - the whole bringing up of that question (whether Gal's offhand statement that her schedule happens to be less busy during Night phases is a sign of wolvery or not) seemed rather pointless to me. It just wasn't, in my opinion, a statement that could in any possible way be a wolf slip; therefore, even voicing it as an option as likely as it being just a comment on her timetable seemed and still seems fishy to me. Concerning Lottie - yes, we both made interpretations of her words, I'm not denying that. But that doesn't mean I can't still find your interpretation rather opportunistic.

Originally Posted by Nog

Well, here reality has already proved me wrong as Zil was innocent. So I'm actually wondering why do you feel the need to explain it... or do you just wish to twist the knife in my belly by reminding me of my bad suspicion?

No! I brought that up for two reasons. First, because when someone asks me a question I expect they want an answer, late or no; second, because I don't think it's a very valid argument against anybody that they don't take part in a certain conversation.

PS. I hope I have not been "unkind" as you said back there. That has not been my intention.

I know it wasn't so I didn't take it badly, but just wanted to let you know that it could be taken that way.


EDIT: x-ed with Nog, Pitch, and Shasta

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nog

Btw. Agan is the cobbler.

She's certainly taking pains to look like one, but in her case I'm unconvinced of whether she actually is one or not.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

She's certainly taking pains to look like one, but in her case I'm unconvinced of whether she actually is one or not.

Well, it does merit lynching her sooner or later... I was quite annoyed and confused about the way she strongly defended me yesterDay - but at the same time very happy because she was right of course and was in no way going to open this discussion back then.

[A Little Green]

Pitch is so logical and reasonable that it's almost scary. I sincerely wish he's on our side.

[A Little Green]

Bleh. Really need to go to bed now. I probably won't surprise anyone with this one -

++ Nogrod

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Pitch is so logical and reasonable that it's almost scary. I sincerely wish he's on our side.

That depends which side you're on. And at the moment I'm rather worried by getting that much trust. Like Nog said in #148, those who are nicest to you...

Nog, if you're fooling me this time, I swear I'll sneak into Finland somehow and put explosives in your cigarettes.

[Galadriel55]

Back and reading.

[Loslote]

So I'm afraid I can only pop on for a moment before I have to leave - I still haven't finished the reading and I've got less than an hour before it needs to be done.

I am feeling much better about Greenie after toDay's posting, and even Nog's posts are feeling more like a frustrated innocent than a wolf...and I feel good about Shasta and Pitchie, too. Basically...who's up for an Agan lynch?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nog

At this point I must admit I'd rather see you all face another Day and let those silent submarines take the hit as this game will become very dull and boring if even few of those who actually post and talk are lynched... whatever the cost of that decision might be.

You know, I have such a hard time to figure out you talking folks I could actually get behind that.
sally said she'd be back before DL, and I'm inclined to wait still a little for her. Which leaves the self-declared cobbler (Bom), the backstabber and the backstabbée.

EDIT: xed with G55 and Lottie.

[Nogrod]

So the people playing (other than me) and available for lynching if we disregard those you can't say anything and Kit (for obvious reasons now):
Aganzir
Greenie
Lottie
Pitch
Shasta

At this point I must admit I'd rather see you all face another Day and let those silent submarines take the hit as this game will become very dull and boring if even few of those who actually post and talk are lynched... whatever the cost of that decision might be.

Let me hear what you think.

And I really need to vote quite soon. Really, this time.


EDIT: X'd with Greenie - now self-preservation mode says "vote Greenie"... oh my... gets too complicated.

[Nogrod]

Nine votes (possibly) to come.

Kit -> Greenie
Greenie -> Nogrod

Originally Posted by Pitchie

You know, I have such a hard time to figure out you talking folks I could actually get behind that.
sally said she'd be back before DL, and I'm inclined to wait still a little for her. Which leaves the self-declared cobbler (Bom), the backstabber and the backstabbée.

I kind of agree - but as we know, that always begs the question, are we trying to make "too easy" decisions? If Bom would be innocent I'd hate to have been part of his lynching - but then again not playing isn't kind of in the spirit of the game either.

Originally Posted by Lottie

who's up for an Agan lynch?

I might be. But the problem is that she will come back and I need to go to sleep, pronto - and I can see her speaking you all (especially those who will / may come in at the late stages) away from that. Possibly ending in my own lynching which I preferred not to happen.

But I'd feel better voting Agan than Greenie. I still suspect Greenie and I think I have good reasons for it. It's just that I started wawering with my thoughts reading her posting late toDay... although her vote pick still screams to me she was just sweet-talking only to vote from wolvish grounds.

Gah.