Who was the greatest Elf? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-04-2003, 01:17 PM

We’ve had the ‘greatest man’ now it is time for the ’the greatest Elf . will draw up a shortlist, just to make it easier for you to pick, though you do not can pick anyone you like. Hmmm, let me see.

Feanor
Fingolfin
Fingon
Maedhros
Gil-Galad
Cirdan
Finwe
Ecthelion
Glorfindel
Angrod
Beleg
Mablung
Legolas
Maglor
Celebrimbor
Galdor (of Gondolin)
Finrod Felagund

That’s off the top of my head.

Galorme · 01-04-2003, 02:17 PM

Well there was a big argument as to whether or not Lúthien was the greatest of the Eldar. heretis. Heres one on the best elf Heres

Lush · 01-04-2003, 02:25 PM

This has been discussed ad nauseum, but you definitely forgot Galadriel on your list up there. Not to mention Elrond. *Yawn* Not that I have a precise opinion, but you know, just looking out for you there.

eleanor_niphredil · 01-04-2003, 03:43 PM

I totaly think that glorfindel should be worshipped as the greatest elf of all time. After Arwen nicking his place in the movie, not to mention his horse and sword, he needs something to raise his spirits.

Galorme · 01-04-2003, 03:49 PM

People always go for the underdog. Glorfindel was pretty impressive but people only say he is the best because he is under-appreciated. If he was the greatest elf of all time you wouldn't have to give him the sympathy vote!

inglorion · 01-04-2003, 04:07 PM

Two things:
1. You forgot to mention Gildor in your list, which I find quite upsetting [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
2. If there is something like 'the greatest elf' it would certainly be Ingwe, leader of the Vanyar and High-King of the Elves in Aman. The man (i.e. elf) went to Aman when the summons came and never left. All we know about the elves on Aman is in the period before the Exile of the Noldor. Imagine what 3 Ages (instead of one, which is the case for most of the Elves we know of) in close proximity to the Valar in the Undying Lands can do to you.
So I say Ingwe, definitely.

Adastrea · 01-04-2003, 04:16 PM

Feanor and Celebrimbor come quite high on my list, they had great skill, but evil sought them out and corrupted them/their work, as I'm afraid often seems to be the case. Yep I reckon the high king of the vanyar is the best bet.

burrahobbit · 01-04-2003, 04:25 PM

You guys, seriously. It doesn't matter what you think. It was just Luthien. The end period. Debating this is like debating what color Galadriel's hair is, or whether or not Frodo was actually a hobbit. I'm pretty sure Tolkien told you the answers to those things, too.

zacattack · 01-04-2003, 04:47 PM

In terms of skill it would probably be Feanor almost indefinately but in terms of strength I would be inclined to go Finfolfin but that's just my opiinion,I mean Thingol,Finrod,Galdriel,Luthien and Fingon are all great elves not to mention Celebrimbor,Turgon etc

burrahobbit · 01-04-2003, 05:02 PM

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Luthien is the greatest ever. --JRR Tolkien

Legolas · 01-04-2003, 11:59 PM

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Who together with the greatest of all the Eldar, Lúthien Tinúviel, daughter of Elu Thingol, are the chief matter of the legends and histories of the Elves.

Thus, you can no longer argue over the matter. Tolkien explicitly stated who the greatest elf was.

If such debates interest you, perhaps you could ponder the question of who the coolest elf is, or something like that.

Lush · 01-05-2003, 12:07 AM

Nah, Legalos, how about discussing who the ugliest Elf is instead? A worthy topis of discourse, right up there with "the tallest Dwarf?" and the "cutest Orc?" threads.

Guildo · 01-05-2003, 12:43 AM

i admire Cirdan the most he may not be the greatest, but he has remained faithfull to his purpose perhaps longer than any other elf, and he does it not for himself but for those who wish to travel to the undieing lands.

Finiel · 01-05-2003, 04:54 AM

ugliest elf--->Maeglin in The Fall of Gondolin

most handsome elf/man--->Earendel

coolest elf--->Glorfindel (he killed a Balrog)

bravest and most beautiful--->Luthien

I don't know where to put Galadriel but she's my favorite.

As for the greatest Elf I'm not sure who because I haven't read the Silmarillon, though I'll agree with JRRT (for now) Luthien is the greatest.

Galorme · 01-05-2003, 05:10 AM

Burrahobbit she is the greatest of the ELDAR, who are, on average, greater than the Dark Elves. But he didn't say the Greatest Elf, so it could be that out there somewhere is an Elf who is greater than her. It just rules out all of the Nolder, the Teleri and the Vanyar. It could be that Legolas is the greatest elf (COULD be, but isn't [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] ).

burrahobbit · 01-05-2003, 05:39 AM

You're gonna get such a PINCH.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-05-2003, 08:50 AM

Since this topic is asking only for opinions, not discussing the books, it has been moved to the Novices and Newcomers forum.

Finiel · 01-06-2003, 04:03 AM

Luthien did a lot for the sake of love. She saved her boyfriend Beren from the clutches of Melkor. I only read their story from the Lost Tales 2 so I'm not sure about the other details.

I guess I'm with Meela. I'd go for Glorfindel the Golden Hair. I'm sure he's way better than Legolas. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

(runs while pots and pans are being thrown into the air by Lego fans) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

the witch king · 01-06-2003, 04:42 AM

Its gota be Feanor for me, he was so free spirted he followed his own path and didnt let any one sway him from it, not even the valar!

01-08-2003, 06:44 AM

The best elf ever has to be Gil-Galad.

"Gil-Galad was an elven king
of him the harpers sadly sing.
Last whose realm was fair and free
between the mountain and the sea."

Rimbaud · 01-08-2003, 09:02 AM

<FONT SIZE=SMALL> Luthien. </FONT SIZE=SMALL>

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-09-2003, 03:32 PM

There's a difference between the words 'greatest' and 'favourite', folks.

Why does no-one ever start a thread called "Who is your favourite Elf?"?

the witch king · 01-10-2003, 05:17 PM

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Feanor was the greatest if the Eldar in arts and lore, but also the proudest and most self willed.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-11-2003, 01:06 PM

That is only arts and lore. Luthien was the greatest, period.

aragornreborn · 01-11-2003, 04:33 PM

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Luthien is the greatest ever. --JRR Tolkien

Well, I guess since he created 'em all, he know them all the best, so he's right, but... the greatest male elf was definitely Fingolfin. If I tried to write all the reasons why he is the best, it would take many lifetimes. So, since I'd rather live and do other things [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img], you'll either have to read the Silmarillion or take my word for it.

Farrehn · 01-12-2003, 01:29 AM

What about Luthien's mother? Wasn't she A Valar or something? I read teh Silmarillion a while ago and all those names confuse me. But I would have to say either Luthien's mother or Galadriel.

alkquareiel02 · 01-12-2003, 05:05 AM

Luthiens mother was a Maia but,Tolkien did say that Luthien was the greatest elf that ever lived or whatever so i say Luthien. Out of the male elves not sure coz there was so many of them that did great deeds although Fingofin did a good one.

Yavanna Kementari · 01-14-2003, 03:19 PM

Luthien was the most beautiful..yes.
But if you're talking about, great as in strength, it would be Curufinweor Feanor - Spirit of Fire.

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But in the bearing of her son Miriel was consumed in spirit and body; and after his birth she yearned for release from the labour of living. And when she had named him, she said to Finwe: 'Never again shall I bear child; for strength thst would have nourished the life of many has gone forth into Feanor.'

The Silmarillion Chapter 6 OF FEANOR AND THE UNCHAINING OF MELKOR (pg 64-65)
And Miriel died in the Garden Of Lorien.

And their are many other greats. Like Cirdan the Shipwright and Earedil! Just depends on what kind of great.
~Yavanna

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-15-2003, 12:57 PM

That quote means nothing. The above quotes on Luthien are all we need. No quote can combat them. None.

elven maiden Earwen · 01-15-2003, 06:43 PM

gratest elves:
feanor
fingolfin
luthien
turon
finrod
gladrial
elrond
thingol
earendil(he an elf right)
celembiror
and a lot more
galdor
leolas
beleg
malbung
finwe
glorfindel
ecthelion
gil-galad
cirdian

Dondagnirion · 01-15-2003, 08:05 PM

I would say Faenor is. I would discount Luthien only because she is not purely an elf. The best pure elf would be Faenor without question, the maker of the Silmarils.

Dondagnirion
"He who cannot cast a treasure away at need is in fetters." - Aragorn

Aragost · 01-15-2003, 09:08 PM

Feanor was the dgreatest in skill
Fingolfin was the greatest in power because he fought Melkor

lord of dor-lomin · 01-18-2003, 01:52 AM

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tolkien says "Luthien=greatest". Whatever. It just so happens I might have a different opinion on the definition of greatness. Some people place more weight on goodness, others on wisdom, some on skill, and others on battle prowess, and so on.

Last summer I actually sat down and rated a bunch of Tolkien characters based on several characteristics (fighting, skill/craft, wisdom, goodness, beauty, and combined will-power (over themselves) and will-mastery (over others). First I gave base ratings for your average maia, light-elf, dark-elf, numenorean, regular man, dwarf, and even hobbit. Then I proceeded to rate everyone I could think of like Melkor, Eonwe, Maedhros, Frodo, Aragorn, Hurin, and ect. On my chart, the winning elf was Feanor.

(plus, I don't consider Luthien an elf, because she's half angelic being)

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-18-2003, 10:44 AM

That's cool, and I don't have a problem with that. It's just that this is Tolkien's opinion on the subject, and I'm willing to concede to him.

Falagar · 01-18-2003, 07:13 PM

Luthien was also Maia, so naturally she would be the most powerful. But if we look at the greatest pure Elf (without any maian blood) I would go for Fëanor (my fav character in the Silm [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]), then perhaps Fingolfin.

[ January 18, 2003: Message edited by: Falagar ]

Duncariel · 01-18-2003, 08:12 PM

Luthien would technically be the Greatest Elf, according to JRRT. But I admire Maedhros the most for his loyalty to his family, but when his friend needed him he "forsake" (I use that term lightly) his oath to his father and the Silmarills and stood for him

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wherever you go, there you are

Pallando B.C · 01-18-2003, 08:46 PM

Dueling a former Vala, one on one. Has to be Fingolfin.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-19-2003, 07:34 AM

Well, Finrod Felagund was always my favourite Elf, and his dad was really cool too.

doug*platypus · 01-20-2003, 03:31 AM

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Luthien.

Wow, that's such a flawless argument, I don't know how I'm not convinced. Which one is the sarcastic smilie?

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On my chart, the winning elf was Feanor.

Recommended viewing: Dead Poets' Society. Robin Williams would tear your page out of his book. Begone, J. Evans Pritchard!

When you talk about the greatness of an elf, I think of the greatness of their deeds. Not of their beauty, or their innate skill, but of what they accomplished and the choices that they made. So I rule out the Vanyar at the start, because in my opinion they didn't really do much. At least, not that we hear about. Just worshipped well and properly and looked nice. Good for them.

Finrod Felagund was probably the most noble of the elves to return to the Hither Lands, judging by his deeds with Maedhros, Beren and the first men to come west. But I think that the importance of Elrond is vastly underappreciated. Rivendell is an important sanctuary and stronghold long after other realms have perished. The Last Homely House. It served as a base for armed forays into Eriador, as the home of Aragorn and of the legacy of the kings of Gondor and Arnor, and provided sanctuary to the Ringbearer, and also the ring-finder. Not Gollum, the other guy. I think without a place to harbour the knowledge and the people that Rivendell did, Sauron would have rocked everyone's world. Elrond. Greatest. Forgive me, Professor.

Donlammenion · 01-21-2003, 04:09 AM

Gladrial is cute but still very powerfull so she gets my vote. Well finglofin has to be the greatest elf as he fought melkor giving him 7 wounds and cutting off his (left)? foot. glorfindle is also great killing a balrog is cool and returning is even better in the same form.

[ January 21, 2003: Message edited by: Donlammenion ]

01-04-2003, 01:17 PM	#1
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Who was the greatest Elf? We’ve had the ‘greatest man’ now it is time for the ’the greatest Elf . will draw up a shortlist, just to make it easier for you to pick, though you do not can pick anyone you like. Hmmm, let me see. Feanor Fingolfin Fingon Maedhros Gil-Galad Cirdan Finwe Ecthelion Glorfindel Angrod Beleg Mablung Legolas Maglor Celebrimbor Galdor (of Gondolin) Finrod Felagund That’s off the top of my head. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

01-04-2003, 02:17 PM	#2
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Well there was a big argument as to whether or not Lúthien was the greatest of the Eldar. heretis. Heres one on the best elf Heres __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

01-04-2003, 02:25 PM	#3
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	This has been discussed ad nauseum, but you definitely forgot Galadriel on your list up there. Not to mention Elrond. Yawn Not that I have a precise opinion, but you know, just looking out for you there. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

01-04-2003, 03:43 PM	#4
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 805	I totaly think that glorfindel should be worshipped as the greatest elf of all time. After Arwen nicking his place in the movie, not to mention his horse and sword, he needs something to raise his spirits. __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

01-04-2003, 03:49 PM	#5
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	People always go for the underdog. Glorfindel was pretty impressive but people only say he is the best because he is under-appreciated. If he was the greatest elf of all time you wouldn't have to give him the sympathy vote! __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

01-04-2003, 04:07 PM	#6
inglorion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hollandia Posts: 55	Two things: 1. You forgot to mention Gildor in your list, which I find quite upsetting [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] 2. If there is something like 'the greatest elf' it would certainly be Ingwe, leader of the Vanyar and High-King of the Elves in Aman. The man (i.e. elf) went to Aman when the summons came and never left. All we know about the elves on Aman is in the period before the Exile of the Noldor. Imagine what 3 Ages (instead of one, which is the case for most of the Elves we know of) in close proximity to the Valar in the Undying Lands can do to you. So I say Ingwe, definitely. __________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards for they are subtle and quick to anger.

01-04-2003, 04:16 PM	#7
Adastrea Animated Skeleton Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 31	Feanor and Celebrimbor come quite high on my list, they had great skill, but evil sought them out and corrupted them/their work, as I'm afraid often seems to be the case. Yep I reckon the high king of the vanyar is the best bet. __________________ "Hail Eärendil, brightest of angels, over Middle Earth sent to men."

01-04-2003, 04:25 PM	#8
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	You guys, seriously. It doesn't matter what you think. It was just Luthien. The end period. Debating this is like debating what color Galadriel's hair is, or whether or not Frodo was actually a hobbit. I'm pretty sure Tolkien told you the answers to those things, too. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

01-04-2003, 04:47 PM	#9
zacattack Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Angband Posts: 70	In terms of skill it would probably be Feanor almost indefinately but in terms of strength I would be inclined to go Finfolfin but that's just my opiinion,I mean Thingol,Finrod,Galdriel,Luthien and Fingon are all great elves not to mention Celebrimbor,Turgon etc __________________ "The dwarf breathes so loud we could have shot him in the dark "What an excellent spot I choose"-Gimli "Would you like me to describe it to you or just fetch for a box"-Legolas

01-05-2003, 12:07 AM	#12
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Nah, Legalos, how about discussing who the ugliest Elf is instead? A worthy topis of discourse, right up there with "the tallest Dwarf?" and the "cutest Orc?" threads. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

01-05-2003, 12:43 AM	#13
Guildo Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Forgoten lands of the South Posts: 119	i admire Cirdan the most he may not be the greatest, but he has remained faithfull to his purpose perhaps longer than any other elf, and he does it not for himself but for those who wish to travel to the undieing lands. __________________ "You cant always get what you want.... But if you try sometimes you just my find.... you get what you need." Glen Sight

01-05-2003, 04:54 AM	#14
Finiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: somewhere in the tropics Posts: 69	ugliest elf--->Maeglin in The Fall of Gondolin most handsome elf/man--->Earendel coolest elf--->Glorfindel (he killed a Balrog) bravest and most beautiful--->Luthien I don't know where to put Galadriel but she's my favorite. As for the greatest Elf I'm not sure who because I haven't read the Silmarillon, though I'll agree with JRRT (for now) Luthien is the greatest. __________________ "The night has a thousand eyes, And the day but one; Yet the light of a bright world dies when day is done. The mind has a thousand eyes, And the heart but one; Yet the light of a whole life dies when love is done."-- F.W. Bourdillon

01-05-2003, 05:10 AM	#15
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Burrahobbit she is the greatest of the ELDAR, who are, on average, greater than the Dark Elves. But he didn't say the Greatest Elf, so it could be that out there somewhere is an Elf who is greater than her. It just rules out all of the Nolder, the Teleri and the Vanyar. It could be that Legolas is the greatest elf (COULD be, but isn't [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] ). __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

01-05-2003, 05:39 AM	#16
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	You're gonna get such a PINCH. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

01-05-2003, 08:50 AM	#17
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Since this topic is asking only for opinions, not discussing the books, it has been moved to the Novices and Newcomers forum. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-06-2003, 04:03 AM	#18
Finiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: somewhere in the tropics Posts: 69	Luthien did a lot for the sake of love. She saved her boyfriend Beren from the clutches of Melkor. I only read their story from the Lost Tales 2 so I'm not sure about the other details. I guess I'm with Meela. I'd go for Glorfindel the Golden Hair. I'm sure he's way better than Legolas. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] (runs while pots and pans are being thrown into the air by Lego fans) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "The night has a thousand eyes, And the day but one; Yet the light of a bright world dies when day is done. The mind has a thousand eyes, And the heart but one; Yet the light of a whole life dies when love is done."-- F.W. Bourdillon

01-06-2003, 04:42 AM	#19
the witch king Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Minas Morgul, Morgul Vale, Mordor Posts: 201	Its gota be Feanor for me, he was so free spirted he followed his own path and didnt let any one sway him from it, not even the valar! __________________ 'Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.'~ Che Guevara.

01-08-2003, 06:44 AM	#20
Holfast Willow from Greenfields Guest Posts: n/a	The best elf ever has to be Gil-Galad. "Gil-Galad was an elven king of him the harpers sadly sing. Last whose realm was fair and free between the mountain and the sea."

01-08-2003, 09:02 AM	#21
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	<FONT SIZE=SMALL> Luthien. </FONT SIZE=SMALL> __________________ And all the rest is literature

01-09-2003, 03:32 PM	#22
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	There's a difference between the words 'greatest' and 'favourite', folks. Why does no-one ever start a thread called "Who is your favourite Elf?"? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-11-2003, 01:06 PM	#24
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	That is only arts and lore. Luthien was the greatest, period. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-12-2003, 01:29 AM	#26
Farrehn Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: here Posts: 22	What about Luthien's mother? Wasn't she A Valar or something? I read teh Silmarillion a while ago and all those names confuse me. But I would have to say either Luthien's mother or Galadriel. __________________ There is no greater tragedy than a life without purpose. And a life without purpose knowns not the love it was created for.

01-12-2003, 05:05 AM	#27
alkquareiel02 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: england Posts: 31	Luthiens mother was a Maia but,Tolkien did say that Luthien was the greatest elf that ever lived or whatever so i say Luthien. Out of the male elves not sure coz there was so many of them that did great deeds although Fingofin did a good one.

01-15-2003, 12:57 PM	#29
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	That quote means nothing. The above quotes on Luthien are all we need. No quote can combat them. None. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-15-2003, 06:43 PM	#30
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	gratest elves: feanor fingolfin luthien turon finrod gladrial elrond thingol earendil(he an elf right) celembiror and a lot more galdor leolas beleg malbung finwe glorfindel ecthelion gil-galad cirdian __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

01-15-2003, 08:05 PM	#31
Dondagnirion Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Glittering Caves Posts: 241	I would say Faenor is. I would discount Luthien only because she is not purely an elf. The best pure elf would be Faenor without question, the maker of the Silmarils. Dondagnirion "He who cannot cast a treasure away at need is in fetters." - Aragorn __________________ "It is useless to meet revenge with revenge; it will heal nothing." - Frodo "Will shall be the sterner, heart the bolder, spirit the greater, as our strength lessens." "The only reason for time is so that everything doesnt happen all at once." - Albert Einstein

01-15-2003, 09:08 PM	#32
Aragost Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arthedain Posts: 137	Feanor was the dgreatest in skill Fingolfin was the greatest in power because he fought Melkor __________________ Where there's a whip there's a will

01-18-2003, 01:52 AM	#33
lord of dor-lomin Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: dor-lomin, of course Posts: 167	Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tolkien says "Luthien=greatest". Whatever. It just so happens I might have a different opinion on the definition of greatness. Some people place more weight on goodness, others on wisdom, some on skill, and others on battle prowess, and so on. Last summer I actually sat down and rated a bunch of Tolkien characters based on several characteristics (fighting, skill/craft, wisdom, goodness, beauty, and combined will-power (over themselves) and will-mastery (over others). First I gave base ratings for your average maia, light-elf, dark-elf, numenorean, regular man, dwarf, and even hobbit. Then I proceeded to rate everyone I could think of like Melkor, Eonwe, Maedhros, Frodo, Aragorn, Hurin, and ect. On my chart, the winning elf was Feanor. (plus, I don't consider Luthien an elf, because she's half angelic being) __________________ I used to be indecisive. Now, I'm not so sure.

01-18-2003, 10:44 AM	#34
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	That's cool, and I don't have a problem with that. It's just that this is Tolkien's opinion on the subject, and I'm willing to concede to him. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-18-2003, 07:13 PM	#35
Falagar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 69	Luthien was also Maia, so naturally she would be the most powerful. But if we look at the greatest pure Elf (without any maian blood) I would go for Fëanor (my fav character in the Silm [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]), then perhaps Fingolfin. [ January 18, 2003: Message edited by: Falagar ] __________________ Auta i lomë! Aurë entuluva! "Take no heed! We speak as is right, and as King Finwë himself did before he was led astray. We are his heirs by right and the elder house. Let them sá-sí, if they can speak no better." -Son of the Therindë

01-18-2003, 08:12 PM	#36
Duncariel Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Land of the Ice and Snow Posts: 226	Luthien would technically be the Greatest Elf, according to JRRT. But I admire Maedhros the most for his loyalty to his family, but when his friend needed him he "forsake" (I use that term lightly) his oath to his father and the Silmarills and stood for him _____________________________________________ wherever you go, there you are __________________ Middle-earth: Insanity "What, the peons aren't trusted?" -- Yazoo, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children

01-18-2003, 08:46 PM	#37
Pallando B.C Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rhûn, Tasmania Posts: 521	Dueling a former Vala, one on one. Has to be Fingolfin. __________________ {JHart} Support The Aussies!

01-19-2003, 07:34 AM	#38
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Well, Finrod Felagund was always my favourite Elf, and his dad was really cool too. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-21-2003, 04:09 AM	#40
Donlammenion Animated Skeleton Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: mirkwood Posts: 47	Gladrial is cute but still very powerfull so she gets my vote. Well finglofin has to be the greatest elf as he fought melkor giving him 7 wounds and cutting off his (left)? foot. glorfindle is also great killing a balrog is cool and returning is even better in the same form. [ January 21, 2003: Message edited by: Donlammenion ]