Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Firefoot · 10-08-2011, 10:32 AM

Righto, Legate. It could well be that Leof's woes are as much imagined as real. It's hard to get this across when writing from a limited perspective, but Leof's still not totally secure in his position at the hall (though he hasn't really realized it). There's part of him that still feels that this is all too good to be true (since he ran away from a bad situation at home). When he came to Eodwine looking for help, he really wasn't expecting anything more than a very low level position - and then he got put in charge of the stables, so he's worked really hard to live up to that.

I think I took Hilderinc's attitude and sort of projected it onto the other soldiers, and then assumed not all of them would be quite so tactful about it. On top of that, a lot of the soldiers tend to their own horses a fair bit, so Leof feels like he's being cut out and he's not really in charge of "his domain" anymore.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-08-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

Righto, Legate. It could well be that Leof's woes are as much imagined as real. It's hard to get this across when writing from a limited perspective, but Leof's still not totally secure in his position at the hall (though he hasn't really realized it). There's part of him that still feels that this is all too good to be true (since he ran away from a bad situation at home). When he came to Eodwine looking for help, he really wasn't expecting anything more than a very low level position - and then he got put in charge of the stables, so he's worked really hard to live up to that.

I think I took Hilderinc's attitude and sort of projected it onto the other soldiers, and then assumed not all of them would be quite so tactful about it. On top of that, a lot of the soldiers tend to their own horses a fair bit, so Leof feels like he's being cut out and he's not really in charge of "his domain" anymore.

Rightly done, as I really think quite many will have the attitude "look, a little boy..." - of course again, maybe they wouldn't have minded that much had it been "at home", but with the general "we have arrived, we are not liked by the locals, this place literally sucks, and what's that, boys for stablemasters?"

Anyway, the situation outside seems to be funny - I don't have time to post right at this very moment, but I think I will check around some twelve hours from now, and if Dury does not post anything for Tyrdda in response to Hilderinc, or if she does not object, I think it would be logical for Hilderinc and Tyrdda to overhear Scyrr and Saeryn outside (in case Dury would post then we could of course even still have a part of Hilderinc-Tyrdda dialogue, "as if" it happened before Scyrr and Saeryn came outside, but otherwise, I think it would be logical for those two to overhear them soon...).

Durelin · 10-08-2011, 06:27 PM

Ah, I didn't think he would be a 'stablemaster' for one thing, and not really sure what that means or entails. Like I don't know if that would have extra status in Rohan? But it's still about age to me (well, for Coen), and I don't think any of the riders owe even the 'stablemaster' a special degree of respect. I mean he's still a 'common' man like them and just has a particular position in the hall like them (he's not an equerry or the like). And as for the riders taking care of their own mounts, well, I always figured that's what riders of Rohan would do. That it would be typical, because they'd have a special relationship with their mounts. Not that they'd do all their maintenance or of course the dirty work unless they were ordered to ;p

Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative, just like discussing this. Partly because it seems to keep happening in this RP that I find characters getting upset for reasons I don't understand/I have a different understanding of the circumstances and nature of the culture and such. If that makes sense? But no big deal obviously, I just don't want to be too far off on the wrong page when interacting with other's characters. You know, I don't want Coen to look like a jerk because everyone agrees it's wrong for him to call Leof a lad

Not that in-character misunderstandings are a problem!

Btw, about Scyrr...is he ever going to stop being picked on? (I mean, made to look like a complete fool/jerk all of the time?) Speaking of looking for a fight...*cough*Saeryn*cough*...haha

littlemanpoet · 10-08-2011, 06:39 PM

It just occurred to me that we used to call Léof the "ostler", which was correct when the "Eorl of Middle Emnet's" Hall was "The White Horse Inn". Now, at Scarburg, he would of course be called "stablemaster", since ostlers are associated with inns and "hotels" or "hostels", as they used to be called. An ostler's job is quite different from a stablemaster's. An ostler is caring for the mounts of guests, whereas a Meadhall stablemaster is in charge of the stables, and therefore of the care of the horses in the stables. Well, perhaps not so different, but different enough; has a more military sense about it, I guess, instead of the market driven sense. It looks to me that some of Léof's issues derive from this very change, what?

Foley, what on earth does Saeryn think she's doing?

Folwren · 10-08-2011, 06:53 PM

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Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative, just like discussing this. Partly because it seems to keep happening in this RP that I find characters getting upset for reasons I don't understand/I have a different understanding of the circumstances and nature of the culture and such. If that makes sense? But no big deal obviously, I just don't want to be too far off on the wrong page when interacting with other's characters. You know, I don't want Coen to look like a jerk because everyone agrees it's wrong for him to call Leof a lad

Not that in-character misunderstandings are a problem!

I think a lot of characters are over-reacting. Saeyrn, for one, definitely is. Leof seems REALLY sensitive right now about being called a boy or considered one.

As for the culture, I actually think a stablemaster would get some special respect. No MORE than the riders, certainly, but some, just becaues of the manner in which they treated their horses.

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Btw, about Scyrr...is he ever going to stop being picked on? (I mean, made to look like a complete fool/jerk all of the time?) Speaking of looking for a fight...*cough*Saeryn*cough*...haha

Nope, he's never going to stop being picked on. And yep, Saeryn is definitely scrapping for a fight.

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Foley, what on earth does Saeryn think she's doing?

Being brave and standing up for her men. What does it look like?

Firefoot · 10-08-2011, 11:39 PM

Durelin, it makes total sense that the riders would take care of their own mounts, but like lmp said, it just represents a shift from what Leof was used to and he's not quite sure what it means or whether he likes it. Before, the stables were sort of like his private domain (others came and went, of course, but he was much more in charge), but now a much larger number of people are spending a significant more amount of time there, so that Leof no longer feels like he's the one running things. He'd gotten used to being treated more or less like an equal by others at the hall, and now he feels like he's been downgraded. So, yeah, he's overreacting. I don't think that Coen's been acting unrealistically at all. He's just coming from a very different viewpoint than Leof, and obviously he wouldn't know just what an adjustment that Leof's having to make, because he wasn't around before.

I feel like a new pair of acronyms are needed, BA and AA (before Athanar and after Athanar).

littlemanpoet · 10-09-2011, 04:47 AM

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I feel like a new pair of acronyms are needed, BA and AA (before Athanar and after Athanar).

Or if we follow the Latinate for Anno Domine, AA = "In the Year of Our Athanar".

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-09-2011, 05:02 AM

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I think a lot of characters are over-reacting.

I would rather put it this way: I would like to see one character who is not over-reacting. Okay, there might be one or three.

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Nope, he's never going to stop being picked on. And yep, Saeryn is definitely scrapping for a fight.

Oh my, being a jerk and drunk as he is, Scyrr is not going to hit a woman! Well, also because of one reason: it would put him too "low", I think he might even enjoy the fact and in fact humiliate Saeryn by not hitting her.

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

I feel like a new pair of acronyms are needed, BA and AA (before Athanar and after Athanar).

Sounds good

By the way, a random remark about Scyrr. It seems he is constantly being portraited as a jerk, but I think he is more like "the" jerk, because he tends to get into trouble the most. But maybe just for counter-balance, I would like to point out that even he is, after all, only a man.

I don't think he is being "purposefully evil" or anything like that, he is just the most grudg-y person around, most annoyed with stuff, and not having the restraints to express it (especially when being drunk); on top of everything, he is just stubborn so that he's unwilling to listen to the others and get convinced that things are not as he projects them to be. Since the beginning it's been like that. He arrived with the idea "we are moving somewhere to the middle of nowhere, that sucks". After his arrival, he was proved right: it is the middle of nowhere. People around there are disliking the new people. They want Eodwine back. Ergo, Eodwine wants to get back to power. And kick Athanar out. A simple train of thought, the problem with Scyrr is that unless something really powerful proves him wrong, he is going to stay with his opinion and interpretate everything through the lens of it. Circular reasoning, if you wish.

Anyway, on Foley's request I posted, but we will keep the Saeryn-Scyrr/Tyrdda-Hilderinc stuff separate for a while yet, so that there is time to unfold the dialogues a bit more. Then, if things really get out of hand somewhere, there can be intervention.

Folwren · 10-09-2011, 07:02 AM

Legate, good post. I like playing with different people because they make characters react in ways that maybe I wouldn't have it. This definitely turned the tables on Saeryn and for a minute I didn't know how she'd respond. I almost had her walk away, but I thought I'd give you another chance of saying something.

-- Foley

P.S. I'm pretty sure there are some characters who aren't over-reacting. I don't think Thornden has over-reacted about anything recently, and Eodwine seems pretty calm with things...Athanar's been cool lately, too. Coenred is a pretty level headed chap...so, yeah, I'd say we have quite a few characters that aren't. The only problem is, it's the over-reacting ones that we hear about.

10-08-2011, 06:27 PM	#3
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Ah, I didn't think he would be a 'stablemaster' for one thing, and not really sure what that means or entails. Like I don't know if that would have extra status in Rohan? But it's still about age to me (well, for Coen), and I don't think any of the riders owe even the 'stablemaster' a special degree of respect. I mean he's still a 'common' man like them and just has a particular position in the hall like them (he's not an equerry or the like). And as for the riders taking care of their own mounts, well, I always figured that's what riders of Rohan would do. That it would be typical, because they'd have a special relationship with their mounts. Not that they'd do all their maintenance or of course the dirty work unless they were ordered to ;p Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative, just like discussing this. Partly because it seems to keep happening in this RP that I find characters getting upset for reasons I don't understand/I have a different understanding of the circumstances and nature of the culture and such. If that makes sense? But no big deal obviously, I just don't want to be too far off on the wrong page when interacting with other's characters. You know, I don't want Coen to look like a jerk because everyone agrees it's wrong for him to call Leof a lad Not that in-character misunderstandings are a problem! Btw, about Scyrr...is he ever going to stop being picked on? (I mean, made to look like a complete fool/jerk all of the time?) Speaking of looking for a fight...coughSaeryncough...haha Last edited by Durelin; 10-08-2011 at 06:36 PM.

10-08-2011, 06:39 PM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	It just occurred to me that we used to call Léof the "ostler", which was correct when the "Eorl of Middle Emnet's" Hall was "The White Horse Inn". Now, at Scarburg, he would of course be called "stablemaster", since ostlers are associated with inns and "hotels" or "hostels", as they used to be called. An ostler's job is quite different from a stablemaster's. An ostler is caring for the mounts of guests, whereas a Meadhall stablemaster is in charge of the stables, and therefore of the care of the horses in the stables. Well, perhaps not so different, but different enough; has a more military sense about it, I guess, instead of the market driven sense. It looks to me that some of Léof's issues derive from this very change, what? Foley, what on earth does Saeryn think she's doing? Last edited by littlemanpoet; 10-08-2011 at 06:43 PM.

10-09-2011, 07:02 AM	#9
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Legate, good post. I like playing with different people because they make characters react in ways that maybe I wouldn't have it. This definitely turned the tables on Saeryn and for a minute I didn't know how she'd respond. I almost had her walk away, but I thought I'd give you another chance of saying something. -- Foley P.S. I'm pretty sure there are some characters who aren't over-reacting. I don't think Thornden has over-reacted about anything recently, and Eodwine seems pretty calm with things...Athanar's been cool lately, too. Coenred is a pretty level headed chap...so, yeah, I'd say we have quite a few characters that aren't. The only problem is, it's the over-reacting ones that we hear about. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-08-2011, 10:32 AM	#1
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Righto, Legate. It could well be that Leof's woes are as much imagined as real. It's hard to get this across when writing from a limited perspective, but Leof's still not totally secure in his position at the hall (though he hasn't really realized it). There's part of him that still feels that this is all too good to be true (since he ran away from a bad situation at home). When he came to Eodwine looking for help, he really wasn't expecting anything more than a very low level position - and then he got put in charge of the stables, so he's worked really hard to live up to that. I think I took Hilderinc's attitude and sort of projected it onto the other soldiers, and then assumed not all of them would be quite so tactful about it. On top of that, a lot of the soldiers tend to their own horses a fair bit, so Leof feels like he's being cut out and he's not really in charge of "his domain" anymore.

10-08-2011, 11:39 PM	#6
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Durelin, it makes total sense that the riders would take care of their own mounts, but like lmp said, it just represents a shift from what Leof was used to and he's not quite sure what it means or whether he likes it. Before, the stables were sort of like his private domain (others came and went, of course, but he was much more in charge), but now a much larger number of people are spending a significant more amount of time there, so that Leof no longer feels like he's the one running things. He'd gotten used to being treated more or less like an equal by others at the hall, and now he feels like he's been downgraded. So, yeah, he's overreacting. I don't think that Coen's been acting unrealistically at all. He's just coming from a very different viewpoint than Leof, and obviously he wouldn't know just what an adjustment that Leof's having to make, because he wasn't around before. I feel like a new pair of acronyms are needed, BA and AA (before Athanar and after Athanar).