What did Gimli say? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

paavo · 02-08-2004, 07:16 AM

In Lorien Haldir says something about dwarfs and Gimli responses saying something in dwarfish/elvish. To that Aragorn says "that was not polite". What did Gimli say?

Finwe · 02-08-2004, 02:06 PM

It technically wasn't anything in Khuzdul. John Rhys-Davies made that up on the spur of the moment just so it would sound something like a curse in Khuzdul.

Knight of Gondor · 02-08-2004, 03:24 PM

I beg to differ...I don't believe they would allow for ad-libs like that, except in the case of the Cry of Anguish after the Helmet Kick of Dumbness.<P>According to <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_fotr.htm#ishkhaqwi" TARGET=_blank>this movie Elvish site</A>, he says Ishkhaqwi ai durugnul, which is translated "I spit on your grave." I do not know how technically accurate this is to Tolkien's original conception for the tongue of the Dwarves, but this is how it was intended for the movie.

Burzdol · 02-09-2004, 05:52 PM

I do believe that he did say I spit on your grave. But that's only loosly translated in the previous site and my mind.

Finwe · 02-09-2004, 07:15 PM

Ah... sorry. *blushes*<P><BR>I read on a movie Elvish site that the line was supposed to mean "I spit on your grave," but John Rhys-Davies was given leave, after some coaching in rudimentary Khuzdul, to come up with something that sounded like Khuzdul.<P>I'm deeply sorry that I was mistaken.

Jjudvven · 02-10-2004, 11:36 AM

Ahh... Thanks I've often wondered what that line meant. Now I can repeat it to all my friends and insult them. *evil laugh*

sassyfriend · 09-29-2011, 08:21 PM

Oh behave!!!! Yes it is I spit on your grave

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-19-2012, 07:29 AM

It doesn't strike me as a meaningful thing to say to a living person. Maybe they should have saved it until the Helm's Deep scene.

Inziladun · 01-19-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

It doesn't strike me as a meaningful thing to say to a living person. Maybe they should have saved it until the Helm's Deep scene.

Maybe he was really saying it to Peter Jackson in retaliation for the horrible dialogue.

02-08-2004, 07:16 AM	#1
paavo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 426	What did Gimli say? In Lorien Haldir says something about dwarfs and Gimli responses saying something in dwarfish/elvish. To that Aragorn says "that was not polite". What did Gimli say? __________________ It seems to me that trying to live without friends is like milking a bear to get cream for your morning coffee. It is a whole lot of trouble, and then not worth much after you get it.

02-08-2004, 02:06 PM	#2
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	It technically wasn't anything in Khuzdul. John Rhys-Davies made that up on the spur of the moment just so it would sound something like a curse in Khuzdul. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

02-08-2004, 03:24 PM	#3
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I beg to differ...I don't believe they would allow for ad-libs like that, except in the case of the Cry of Anguish after the Helmet Kick of Dumbness.<P>According to <A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_fotr.htm#ishkhaqwi" TARGET=_blank>this movie Elvish site</A>, he says Ishkhaqwi ai durugnul, which is translated "I spit on your grave." I do not know how technically accurate this is to Tolkien's original conception for the tongue of the Dwarves, but this is how it was intended for the movie. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

02-09-2004, 05:52 PM	#4
Burzdol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Fair City of Rivendell Posts: 274	I do believe that he did say I spit on your grave. But that's only loosly translated in the previous site and my mind. __________________ "Kill them all for all I care. You just keep that bow away from me!"

02-09-2004, 07:15 PM	#5
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Ah... sorry. blushes<P><BR>I read on a movie Elvish site that the line was supposed to mean "I spit on your grave," but John Rhys-Davies was given leave, after some coaching in rudimentary Khuzdul, to come up with something that sounded like Khuzdul.<P>I'm deeply sorry that I was mistaken. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

02-10-2004, 11:36 AM	#6
Jjudvven Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Land to the West Posts: 154	Ahh... Thanks I've often wondered what that line meant. Now I can repeat it to all my friends and insult them. evil laugh __________________ "I don't know all of you as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you, half as well as you deserve."

09-29-2011, 08:21 PM	#7
sassyfriend Wight Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 165	Oh behave!!!! Yes it is I spit on your grave

01-19-2012, 07:29 AM	#8
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It doesn't strike me as a meaningful thing to say to a living person. Maybe they should have saved it until the Helm's Deep scene. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond