WW LXXXVII - The Valley Forge - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nerwen · 08-15-2011, 12:01 AM

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Hmmm... I suppose if enough people did it... And just to make certain the KD has appropriate cover, I'll try not to change my suspicions from today to tomorrow, as he won't be shifting his suspicions either. At least one other person should probably do the same to make certain the KD isn't officially "revealed" to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Nerwen
since it would, in effect, end the game immediately

Only if we lynch him correctly. If we don't, it could very well make things harder, as the Forge will know who the traitor is immediately.

Yes, I'm aware of that. So if we go ahead, it means either an instant victory (but one that would feel to me, at least, not unlike cheating), or else the village shooting itself in its collective foot pretty badly. Not that keen on it, myself.

And even if I end up being in a minority on this, I think we should ask Foley first.

the phantom · 08-15-2011, 12:06 AM

Okay Nerwen, I understand what you're saying. All right then- if this plot is not going to be allowed, we need to find out as soon as possible before the KD gives us the three candidates and essentially outs himself to the Forge for nothing.

Though seeing as McCaber has already put out three names, it's sort of a sticky situation.

I'm all for it of course, but naturally if Foley says anything against it I'll back down.

Nerwen · 08-15-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Okay Nerwen, I understand what you're saying. All right then- if this plot is not going to be allowed, we need to find out as soon as possible before the KD gives us the three candidates and essentially outs himself to the Forge for nothing.

Though seeing as McCaber has already put out three names, it's sort of a sticky situation.

Thing is, I doubt the actual KD would jump straight into it like that.

Mithalwen · 08-15-2011, 02:51 AM

Well I just think it is against the spirit of the game so if that is the way you want to go I am out. It would be a rather pointless game no matter how clever the loophole.

Mithalwen · 08-15-2011, 02:58 AM

And I meant out of the plot not out of the game - I think it is unsporting, like shooting foxes.....

Galadriel55 · 08-15-2011, 07:22 AM

TP's plan discarded already? Wow. Boro's predictions for D2 are already happening in D1.

I don't think it's that much of a problem if we do it the honest WW way - pick the most "suspicious" person at random (

), just instead of aiming for a wolf you aim for the KD.

But, like Nerwen said, even if the plan is allowed, it might backfire badly.

So how about we try to get a Forge member toDay, like we always do. If we get one, it's a good thing. If we don't - it happens. If we get the KD - you can almost call it an accident. If we get the watchman - well, let's just try not to get the watchman. In other words, no special plans, just regular WW Day 1.

Galadriel55 · 08-15-2011, 07:36 AM

Also, KD, Sweetheart, and Watchdwarf know something we all don't. Maybe it won't be any good for them - and us - if we lynch the KD early on. Or maybe it won't matter. I don't know. But they have supersecret abilities, and we don't know what they are, and how it can affec the game.

Boromir88 · 08-15-2011, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

So how about we try to get a Forge member toDay, like we always do. If we get one, it's a good thing. If we don't - it happens. If we get the KD - you can almost call it an accident. If we get the watchman - well, let's just try not to get the watchman. In other words, no special plans, just regular WW Day 1.

And that's the crux of the matter. With no reveals, no matter what role we're aiming to lynch, the result is more likely to be something different anyway. I mean we are trying to lynch a forge every day technically, and how often does that happen? I think you summed it up best yesterday with, the main issue being who to lynch, not which role.

The thing I don't get tp is if you aren't the KD, as you say, how are you hoping to provide cover to the KD from the Forge? Isn't the KD in conversation with the other 3 Forge members, and thus the Forge knows 1 out of 4 is the KD? It'll just be a matter of debate on when do the Forge realize who amongst them is the KD and whether they want to risk it, since there is the risk they kill one of their own, instead of the KD.

08-15-2011, 12:06 AM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Okay Nerwen, I understand what you're saying. All right then- if this plot is not going to be allowed, we need to find out as soon as possible before the KD gives us the three candidates and essentially outs himself to the Forge for nothing. Though seeing as McCaber has already put out three names, it's sort of a sticky situation. I'm all for it of course, but naturally if Foley says anything against it I'll back down. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-15-2011, 02:51 AM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Well I just think it is against the spirit of the game so if that is the way you want to go I am out. It would be a rather pointless game no matter how clever the loophole. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-15-2011, 02:58 AM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	And I meant out of the plot not out of the game - I think it is unsporting, like shooting foxes..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-15-2011, 07:22 AM	#6
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,495	TP's plan discarded already? Wow. Boro's predictions for D2 are already happening in D1. I don't think it's that much of a problem if we do it the honest WW way - pick the most "suspicious" person at random (), just instead of aiming for a wolf you aim for the KD. But, like Nerwen said, even if the plan is allowed, it might backfire badly. So how about we try to get a Forge member toDay, like we always do. If we get one, it's a good thing. If we don't - it happens. If we get the KD - you can almost call it an accident. If we get the watchman - well, let's just try not to get the watchman. In other words, no special plans, just regular WW Day 1. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-15-2011, 07:36 AM	#7
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,495	Also, KD, Sweetheart, and Watchdwarf know something we all don't. Maybe it won't be any good for them - and us - if we lynch the KD early on. Or maybe it won't matter. I don't know. But they have supersecret abilities, and we don't know what they are, and how it can affec the game. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera