WW XC: Lord of the Rings 2: The Quest For More Money

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Yes, that is very true, and if you're talking to me, there's absolutely nothing I can criticise about that. What I was saying was a bit strange was the final "vote McCaber" stage in the last two minutes. You could've picked a known wolf, but instead picked someone you suspected. By tomorrow we could've had two known known wolves dead and an someone whose opinion we could trust as lacking in lycanthropy. But now we have less.




Conspiracy theory of the moment: What if Eomer and Boro are wolves?

edit: And yes, if you're the real seer, and not Eomer, you should've counter-revealed by now.

I'd been hoping to avoid that, but you're right– I can't leave it any longer. This game is going to be a terrible blot on my Seer-ing record, I'm afraid.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sorry to do this to you, Nerwen. Just be thankful the third wolf has eluded me. The game will go on.

Eonwe, I accept that criticism. I was unsure how to act the whole day, and then decided to reveal as late as possible. As it happened, you are correct: even in those last few moments, we could have lynched either Shasta or Nerwen.

I suppose there was a degree of selfishness on my part: I really wanted to know McCaber's role so pushed for it.

[Eruhen]

Boro, Bom, Shasta, you around? Your heads are on the line here, too, and it'd be nice to hear from you.

And both Galadriels, you're right. It's probably not wise for the Ranger to reveal. Lots of people gonna need protecting toNight, regardless of how toDay goes down.

[Eönwë]

Nerwen-> Eomer
Shasta -> Eomer (2)
Eomer -> Shasta
Foley -> Shasta (2)
Tum -> Shasta (3)
Eru -> Shasta (4)
G55 -> Shasta (5)
Eonwe -> Shasta (6)
Sally -> Boro
Bom -> Shasta (7)
Boro -> Shasta (8)

edit: x-ed with other two vote counts and fixed

[Eönwë]

And for my final reveal of the Day... I am The Doctor! *Opens the TARDIS and plays 'I Am The Doctor' very loudly*

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Sally -> Shasta (7)

Sally voted Boro

Edit: sorry, xed

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Sally voted Boro

You make a good point.

edit: ah, new page.

[Eönwë]

Ok, so we know Eomer was the Seer, and Nerwen isn't even denying her wolvishness any more.

So, before anything else:

++Nerwen


I'll be back nearer to the end of the Day to share my thoughts.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Ok, so we know Eomer was the Seer, and Nerwen isn't even denying her wolvishness any more.

Yes I am! I was framed! Framed, I tell you!

[Loslote]

As the sun rose, the cast tried to gather around the body again, but were stymied by the fact that there was no body to gather around. The milled about the set until around midday, when enough of them had ended up at the Green Dragon set to make that the agreed upon location.

"Nerwen's a wolf! So is Shasta!" Eomer said through a mouthful of lunch.

"No you are!" Nerwen said. "And I'm the seer."

"Don't be silly, I am!" Eonwe said.

"Boro's the Hunter!" Boro and Nerwen said at the same time.

"I'll be the Hunter," Eonwe offered.

"Bom's innocent!" Eomer countered.

"Eruhen is!" Nerwen said.

"I'm innocent, too!" Eonwe said.

"Not just innocent, the Ranger!" Bom said.

"Can't be; I am!" Shasta said.

"I'm the Doctor!" Eonwe said. "That's like the Ranger, right?"

"Well, now that you mention it," Sally said.

"Never mind!" Foley said. "Let's just lynch Shasta already."

"No, no, I'm still enjoying the reveals," Shasta said.

"They are fun," Galadriel55 said, barely audible over the sound of Eruhen's music-making.

"Oh, just kill him already," Tum said, picking up a couple of kitchen knives and passing them around.

"Wait, stop!" Bom said. "Don't give one to Shasta; we're killing him."

"Oh, right," Nerwen said. "Oops."

"It's alright, I don't mind," Shasta said, looking around nervously. He didn't notice the first knife being thrown, but he did notice it hitting him in the leg.

"You fools," he rasped. "You'll all die. Painfully, if you would be so kind." With those words, the cast wielded their knives more enthusiastically.

Starring

Tum as Frodo
Foley as Sam
Sally as Merry
Eomer as Pippin
G55 as Fredregar Bolger
Eruhen as Gimli
Eonwe as Boromir
Boro as Gandalf
Bom Tombadillo as Tom Bombadil
Nerwen as Galadriel

Dead

Lottie as The Director
Glirdy as Glorfindel the Ordo
Zil as Elrond the Ordo
McCaber as Aragorn the Ordo
Shasta as Legolas the Murderer

Night 4 has begun. PM to your heart's content.

[Loslote]

Once everyone else had fallen asleep, the two remaining murderers came back to Shasta's body. They covered his body with a nearby tablecloth and sat silently beside him as the Night wore on, until finally, one of them stood up abrubtly.

"Shasta's dead, and everyone else is lying in their warm little beds, all smug and happy that he's dead!"

The other murderer stood, too. "We must avenge his murder. Those who did this to him will not get away with it. They will feel our pain before the Night is out."

Stalking through the Night, the two murderers crept into the trailer of the person who'd first accused Shasta. They gagged him and tied ropes around his feet, looping the rope around a pole outside his trailer. Eomer woke sometime during this, and he tried to reach his feet to claw off the rope.

"Oh, no, I don't think so," the first murderer said.

"You and your ridiculous dreams got Shasta killed," said the other.

"We will not stand for that," said the first as the other murderer smacked his hands away from the rope. Eomer's face started to turn red.

"I think we may have tied the gag a bit too tight," commented one of the murderers as Eomer clearly struggled to breathe. "Oops."

The other murderer pulled out a piece of paper and scrawled a message on it, then pushed it into Eomer's shirt with a pushpin. The note read, "He deserved what he got. Be careful what you say. We're always watching."

When the sun rose the next morning, the cast gathered around Eomer's house. They arrived hoping he would tell them the name of another wolf, but they all stopped short upon seeing the gruesome sight in front of the doorway. They glanced uneasily at eachother as Boro read the note aloud.

"I guess it was sort of inevitable," Tum said.

"He went down with honor," Eonwe said.

"We will remember him always," Foley promised.

"How better to remember him than to avenge him?" Bom pointed out.

"We must kill the murderers," Galadriel55 said. "Now more than ever."

"They said they'd kill anyone who tried," Nerwen said, "but they'd kill us all anyway."

"Whether or not to kill the murderers is not the question," Eruhen said. "The question is, who is a murderer?"

"We've got more clues than ever," Sally said. "Come on, guys - we've got to get this right toDay."

"No more innocent deaths," Boro said. "The murder stops here."

Starring

Tum as Frodo
Foley as Sam
Sally as Merry
G55 as Fredregar Bolger
Eruhen as Gimli
Eonwe as Boromir
Boro as Gandalf
Bom Tombadillo as Tom Bombadil
Nerwen as Galadriel

Dead

Lottie as The Director
Glirdy as Glorfindel the Ordo
Zil as Elrond the Ordo
McCaber as Aragorn the Ordo
Shasta as Legolas the Murderer
Eomer as Pippin the Seer

Day 4 has begun.

[Eruhen]

Do we really need to debate about Nerwolf?

The only question now is this: Is Tum, Foley, or Sally the last Wolf? I'm going to go with Sally, seeing as she was Eomer's guess, but I'm open to debate.

[Nerwen]

Anyone around? No?

First things first: no, Boro is not a wolf. Just an innocent whom I suspect will be kicking himself toMorrow. I dreamed him Night Two, because his reveal looked fishy, especially the fact that actually he didn't know the way the Hunter-role worked. My Night One dream was Zil, on general principles, and last Night I dreamed Eruhen– not Eomer, because he was obviously evil, and because Eruhen was one of those I thought he might have been trying to save. Eruhen is, however, another innocent. This means I haven't managed to dream a wolf at all yet, which I am quite annoyed about, given my previous track record as a Seer. Oh well, it's not my fault you all had to look so suspicious.

EDIT:X'd with Wolfimer.

[Galadriel55]

Wow. Just, wow. I'm speechless.

Is this the game of the reveals? Three reveals by Day 3 - and at least one fake?

Seeromer has a case against Seerwen, and she against him. One of them is a wolf. I won't exclude the possibility that both faked. Eomer's claims are more bold, and easier to prove. Nerwen complicates things. She revealed three innocents. How do we know she's not a wolf calling random innocents innocent? And picking Zil is just too convenient. On the other hand, this might be simpy unlucky and nothing wolvish.

Trust Eomer means trust Bom and not trust Nerwen&Shasta. Trust Nerwen means trust Eruhen&Boro. While I can kinda trust (as much as one can trust in WW) the people they call innocent, I don't know about our Seers.

To know for sure, we could lynch one of them. But that would mean a 50-50 chance against the real Seer: too big of a risk IMO. Lynch Shasta, as he's the only "?known wolf?" that didn't reveal yet? If Eomer is not really the Seer, this would still backfire on him...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Trust Eomer means trust Bom and not trust Nerwen&Shasta. Trust Nerwen means trust Eruhen&Boro. While I can kinda trust (as much as one can trust in WW) the people they call innocent, I don't know about our Seers.

To know for sure, we could lynch one of them. But that would mean a 50-50 chance against the real Seer: too big of a risk IMO. Lynch Shasta, as he's the only "?known wolf?" that didn't reveal yet? If Eomer is not really the Seer, this would still backfire on him...

The trouble is, from my point of view this was obviously an attempt by Eomer of the Wolfirrim to salvage something from having stuck his neck out so far to get McCaber lynched– people making false Seer-reveals usually don't expect to survive long, they just want to do as much damage as possible to the village in the meanwhile, like flushing the real Seer, or getting an innocent killed, or just causing maximum confusion. So by lynching Shasta, we're basically giving this round to the wolves– Eomer would have known all along that once either of his "wolves" died, he was finished.

EDIT:X'd since G55 at #242.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

The trouble is, from my point of view this was obviously an attempt by Eomer of the Wolfirrim to salvage something from having stuck his neck out so far to get McCaber lynched– people making false Seer-reveals usually don't expect to survive long, they just want to do as much damage as possible to the village in the meanwhile, like flushing the real Seer, or getting an innocent killed, or just causing maximum confusion. So by lynching Shasta, we're basically giving this round to the wolves– Eomer would have known all along that once either of his "wolves" died, he was finished.

The problem for us simple ordos is that you might be doing the very thing you're describing. We can't prove that you are the Seer. But we can see if Eomer is telling us the truth. To check that, I'd rather lynch a potential ordo than a potential Seer. That's why I think lynching Shasta is out best option for toDay.


I can see why Seeromer would choose to dream Nerwen&Shasta, but for that same reason Wolfomer could have chosen to "reveal" them. They are just too good at WW. If he's the Seer, he gets rid of two dangerous wolves for us. If he's a wolf - he gets at least one dangerous ordo out of the way.

Edit: xed with Eruhen

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What do you think about G55's idea then, Nerwen? Lynch Shasta today? No danger of the Seer being killed? Immediate answers to all our questions?

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

The problem for us simple ordos is that you might be doing the very thing you're describing. We can't prove that you are the Seer. But we can see if Eomer is telling us the truth. To check that, I'd rather lynch a potential ordo than a potential Seer. That's why I think lynching Shasta is out best option for toDay.

This is why I think we should lynch Shasta toDay as well. We can the prove if Eomer is the real Seer.

Edit: x-ed with G55 and Eomer

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by autume98

This is why I think we should lynch Shasta toDay as well. We can the prove if Eomer is the real Seer.

We also determine Nerwen's role with this. So...?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

The problem for us simple ordos is that you might be doing the very thing you're describing. We can't prove that you are the Seer. But we can see if Eomer is telling us the truth. To check that, I'd rather lynch a potential ordo than a potential Seer. That's why I think lynching Shasta is out best option for toDay.


I can see why Seeromer would choose to dream Nerwen&Shasta, but for that same reason Wolfomer could have chosen to "reveal" them. They are just too good at WW. If he's the Seer, he gets rid of two dangerous wolves for us. If he's a wolf - he gets at least one dangerous ordo out of the way.

I know I should just agree to lynch Shasta to save myself, but realistically I'll only get one more dream anyway, and I'm really not sure who to pick now. Besides, as I said, it would mean Wolfimer's entire gambit has succeeded. (I really doubt Shasta's likely to be a wolf– False Seer do sometimes sacrifice one of their packmates for credibility, but that doesn't seem to fit the set-up here.)

[Nerwen]

Eruhen– "innocent" covers both gifteds and ordos. It's often better not to get too specific.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Wow. Just, wow. I'm speechless.

Is this the game of the reveals? Three reveals by Day 3 - and at least one fake?

Seeromer has a case against Seerwen, and she against him. One of them is a wolf. I won't exclude the possibility that both faked. Eomer's claims are more bold, and easier to prove. Nerwen complicates things. She revealed three innocents. How do we know she's not a wolf calling random innocents innocent? And picking Zil is just too convenient. On the other hand, this might be simpy unlucky and nothing wolvish.

Trust Eomer means trust Bom and not trust Nerwen&Shasta. Trust Nerwen means trust Eruhen&Boro. While I can kinda trust (as much as one can trust in WW) the people they call innocent, I don't know about our Seers.

To know for sure, we could lynch one of them. But that would mean a 50-50 chance against the real Seer: too big of a risk IMO. Lynch Shasta, as he's the only "?known wolf?" that didn't reveal yet? If Eomer is not really the Seer, this would still backfire on him...

I'm in agreement here. A lot has been going on. I like the idea of lynching Shasta toDay. This way we will know who the real Seer is. At this time I'm leaning towards Eomer as Seer and Nerwen as wolf.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by autume98

At this time I'm leaning towards Eomer as Seer and Nerwen as wolf.

I'm not leaning anywhere. I feel like they are playing tug-of-war with me instead of the rope.

Why me? Why did I even join this game? I'm just an ignorant hobbit, and my brain is starting to steam!

[Eruhen]

Question for Lottie about the rules:

Does the Hunter show as gifted or ordo for the Seer? edit: I read through the Rules thread, and it seems a little vague.

kthxbai

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Boro, Bom, Shasta, you around? Your heads are on the line here, too, and it'd be nice to hear from you.

What did I miss...how's my head on the line here? Granted, I wouldn't be the most terrible choice, if you want my head today, Shasta will be coming with me. Although, I'd prefer just to take the direct route of lynching Shasta.

Originally Posted by autume98

I'm in agreement here. A lot has been going on. I like the idea of lynching Shasta toDay. This way we will know who the real Seer is. At this time I'm leaning towards Eomer as Seer and Nerwen as wolf.

Yes, especially since he's departed on to a grand trip overseas. Although this would mean another day of a Nerwen/Eomer seer battle most likely. Unless Nerwen would like to get noble as I can always hunt her during the night. I'll pick you up at 9, shall we call it a date?

I may be kicking myself as Nerwen says, because it's not like I've been terribly and horrible wrong about seer reveals before. But having been a seer before (seems like Eomer's taken from my book ), Eomer's rationale makes sense and it looks like the wolves have spent the night concocting a story to sow doubt.

I have to admit, it's actually a pretty convincing story by Nerwen, not at all what I was expecting, but a fraudulant story nonetheless.

To G55, don't sweat it, at this point one of them is obviously lying. All you can do is choose who's more believable, if you're wrong, you're wrong. No big deal. Kick yourself a few times and move on, my history is full of being horribly wrong and erratic (ergo look at my Day 1, and that's not even the worst of it.) There will always be the next day to correct whatever we manage to screw up.

Actually, after how Day 1 started, I'm impressed how well we've performed, when it's all said and done. Usually we lynch the Seer on Day 1 more than any other role it seems. And, well it's Day 3 and all the gifteds are still alive.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

To G55, don't sweat it, at this point one of them is obviously lying.

Or both, in which case we're screwed either way.

All you can do is choose who's more believable, if you're wrong, you're wrong. No big deal. Kick yourself a few times and move on, my history is full of being horribly wrong and erratic (ergo look at my Day 1, and that's not even the worst of it.)

Good advice. But, like I've said before and Eonwe quite recently, I prefer a debatable ordowolf to a debatable seerwolf.

There will always be the next day to correct whatever we manage to screw up.

We have 11 people. Three are wolves. Three innocents to equal that number. That leaves us with 5 innocents to die before we lose. It means - toDay, toNight, toMorrow, toMorrowNight, and the Day after. It would be great if there will be another Ranger save, but it cannot be relied on. So technically we have 3 Days to get a wolf. And we can get one - or two - in 2 Days.

If we take the worse case scenario, where we lynch innocent Shasta and there is a kill at Night, then we are left with 6 innocents and 3 wolves. Lynch Eomerwolf and a kill at Night again. That makes it 5 innocents and 2 wolves, which means 3 innocents (one of which is a Night kill) to lose before we lose, or two Days to get another wolf.

Pretty risky. But is there a better way? Certainly, if Eomer is the Seer, life becomes much easier, as we can get two wolves in two consecutive Days, and we'll have some room to breathe. But false hope often proves more fatal than false suspicion...

Edit: xed with Boro, Nerwen, and Bom

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Question for Lottie about the rules:

Does the Hunter show as gifted or ordo for the Seer?

If you're asking in order to question Nerwen's reveal, she called Boro "innocent", without describing a specific role.

[Eruhen]

Re: G55:

I know that Nerwen called Boro an 'innocent'. However, since he's already self-revealed as the Hunter, if she could see his Gift, why bother hiding it?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Re: G55:

I know that Nerwen called Boro an 'innocent'. However, since he's already self-revealed as the Hunter, if she could see his Gift, why bother hiding it?

Maybe just a slip. Dunno. Nerwen knows better.