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Mithalwen · 06-26-2011, 01:30 AM

Doesn't seem that has been discounted...

So is it a place?

LadyBrooke · 06-26-2011, 02:29 AM

I was thinking that places were people were living would be created...buildings and such, and of course even the natural landscapes seem to have been messed with, such as mountains being raised and such....

Galadriel55 · 06-26-2011, 07:12 AM

Living thing - not really
Object - no
Sentient - in a way/you could say so
Undead - no
Silent Watchers - no
Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural.
Connected to Elves - yes, very!!
Present during the first age - yes
Present in more than one age - yes
Straight Road - no, it's much more "alive"

Present in both Valinor and ME? - After and before certain poits in history, yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyBrooke

So confused...forests could be considered alive because of all the living things in it, but the only things I would think of fitting that would be places...

Well, not only places. The forest is alive because it consists of living things, right? So what else could?

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-26-2011, 07:20 AM

The desire of some elves for a realm/land
of their own independent of the Valar?

Galadriel55 · 06-26-2011, 07:38 AM

Living thing - not really
Object - no
Sentient - in a way/you could say so
Undead - no
Silent Watchers - no
Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural.
Connected to Elves - yes, very!!
Present during the first age - yes
Present in more than one age - yes
Straight Road - no, it's much more "alive"
Present in both Valinor and ME? - After and before certain points in history, yes.

Place - no, it's not
The desire of some elves for a realm/land of their own independent of the Valar? - no.

THIS IS NOT A CRAZY CONCEPT.

It works just like a forest does. You can touch/see/feel individual trees. They are there. But "forest" is a made-up word (almost a concept!) that is used to group all the trees that stand in a bunch. Now there could be other made up words grouping other things, can't there?

Mithalwen · 06-28-2011, 10:09 AM

Ah the Noldoras a kindred/race?

Galadriel55 · 06-28-2011, 10:28 AM

A kindred/race - BRILLIANT!!! It is one.

LadyBrooke · 06-28-2011, 10:55 AM

There's where I'm getting confused...I wouldn't consider those natural or alive.

Did they finish the journey to Valinor?

Mithalwen · 06-28-2011, 11:18 AM

The Vanyar?

Galadriel55 · 06-28-2011, 11:27 AM

Did they finish the journey to Valinor - yes, applause!

Vanyar - no, look broader.

Well, it's a race of people, and they are as natural as any animal... And "alive" just like a forest could be.

Mithalwen · 06-28-2011, 11:30 AM

Elveses?

LadyBrooke · 06-28-2011, 11:35 AM

Well, I suppose its all a matter of opinion...I would consider elves (as a group) alive but divisions within them, such as Noldor, Vanyar, Moriquendi, ect artificial concepts, created by the elves, much the same as say brands of electronics....

Calaquendi?

Galadriel55 · 06-28-2011, 03:06 PM

LBrooke got it! (Sorry, Mith...)

I'm sorry if I was confusing. I guess the divisions between Elves are artificial, but the Elves aren't....

Well your turn anyways!

LadyBrooke · 06-28-2011, 03:14 PM

Sorry Mith...

I'm ready now.

It wasn't too confusing...I just have a tendency to over think, I suppose. And I'm worried, so I'm not thinking too clearly...Amrod and Amras kittens aren't doing too well.

Galadriel55 · 06-28-2011, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyBrooke

It wasn't too confusing...I just have a tendency to over think, I suppose. And I'm worried, so I'm not thinking too clearly...Amrod and Amras kittens aren't doing too well.

I overthink as well... I hope Amrod and Amras will get better...

Is is a living thing?

LadyBrooke · 06-28-2011, 03:53 PM

Is is a living thing? - No

Galadriel55 · 06-28-2011, 03:54 PM

Object?

Mithalwen · 06-28-2011, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

LBrooke got it! (Sorry, Mith...)

I'm sorry if I was confusing. I guess the divisions between Elves are artificial, but the Elves aren't....

Well your turn anyways!

I nearly said High Elves but I didn't think of them as a race - not all Teleri are high elves..anyway I have enough on my plated atm,

LadyBrooke · 06-28-2011, 05:31 PM

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes

Galadriel55 · 06-28-2011, 08:46 PM

Crafted?

LadyBrooke · 06-28-2011, 09:10 PM

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes
Crafted? - Yes

Kyranger · 06-29-2011, 05:52 AM

Made by Elves/Elf?

Galadriel55 · 06-29-2011, 07:14 AM

Made during the First Age?

LadyBrooke · 06-29-2011, 11:22 AM

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes
Crafted? - Yes
Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes
Made during the First Age? - Yes

Kyranger · 06-29-2011, 11:38 AM

Weapon?

LadyBrooke · 06-29-2011, 11:59 AM

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes
Crafted? - Yes
Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes
Made during the First Age? - Yes
Weapon? - No

Galadriel55 · 06-29-2011, 12:04 PM

Jewels/jewelry?

LadyBrooke · 06-29-2011, 01:20 PM

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes
Crafted? - Yes
Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes
Made during the First Age? - Yes
Weapon? - No
Jewels/jewelry? - No

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-29-2011, 04:22 PM

Armor?

LadyBrooke · 06-29-2011, 07:48 PM

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes
Crafted? - Yes
Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes
Made during the First Age? - Yes
Weapon? - No
Jewels/jewelry? - No
Armor? - No

Galadriel55 · 06-30-2011, 08:20 AM

Portable?

LadyBrooke · 06-30-2011, 02:59 PM

Finally! It's not been letting me post or load the site all the way, the entire day...

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes
Crafted? - Yes
Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes
Made during the First Age? - Yes
Weapon? - No
Jewels/jewelry? - No
Armor? - No
Portable? - Yes

Galadriel55 · 06-30-2011, 08:45 PM

Made in Aman?

LadyBrooke · 06-30-2011, 09:42 PM

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes
Crafted? - Yes
Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes
Made during the First Age? - Yes
Weapon? - No
Jewels/jewelry? - No
Armor? - No
Portable? - Yes
Made in Aman? - Yes

Galadriel55 · 06-30-2011, 10:25 PM

Palantir?

I'm sorry to hear about the kittens...

LadyBrooke · 06-30-2011, 11:42 PM

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes
Crafted? - Yes
Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes
Made during the First Age? - Yes
Weapon? - No
Jewels/jewelry? - No
Armor? - No
Portable? - Yes
Made in Aman? - Yes
Palantir? - No, but on the right track as far as makers go....

Thanks...I'm just glad I got some pictures of them while they were still healthy. According to the vet, they had some hereditary disease that kept them from digesting food...

Mithalwen · 07-01-2011, 04:31 AM

Weapon?

So sorry about the kittens. My first kitten died at 12 weeks. It was horrible.

The next one lasted 18 years though....

LadyBrooke · 07-01-2011, 12:14 PM

Weapon has already been asked, sorry....

And thank you about the kittens...you think I'd be used to it by now, as we live out in the country, and we get all kinds of stray/dropped off pregnant cats, whose kittens end up dying because the mother was sick...at least this year, we've only lost 3, last summer we lost a dozen because some wild animal got into the barn where the strays were and attacked them...that was horrible.

Tuor in Gondolin · 07-01-2011, 01:09 PM

Made by Feanor?

LadyBrooke · 07-01-2011, 02:45 PM

Is is a living thing? - No
Object? - Yes
Crafted? - Yes
Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes
Made during the First Age? - Yes
Weapon? - No
Jewels/jewelry? - No
Armor? - No
Portable? - Yes
Made in Aman? - Yes
Palantir? - No, but on the right track as far as makers go....
Made by Feanor? - Presumably, at least the first ones...

06-26-2011, 01:30 AM	#6881
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Doesn't seem that has been discounted... So is it a place? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-26-2011, 02:29 AM	#6882
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	I was thinking that places were people were living would be created...buildings and such, and of course even the natural landscapes seem to have been messed with, such as mountains being raised and such.... __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-26-2011, 07:20 AM	#6884
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	The desire of some elves for a realm/land of their own independent of the Valar? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

06-26-2011, 07:38 AM	#6885
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Living thing - not really Object - no Sentient - in a way/you could say so Undead - no Silent Watchers - no Natural - as in, not crafted? As much as I'm tempted to confuse you all, I won't. "It" is natural. Connected to Elves - yes, very!! Present during the first age - yes Present in more than one age - yes Straight Road - no, it's much more "alive" Present in both Valinor and ME? - After and before certain points in history, yes. Place - no, it's not The desire of some elves for a realm/land of their own independent of the Valar? - no. THIS IS NOT A CRAZY CONCEPT. It works just like a forest does. You can touch/see/feel individual trees. They are there. But "forest" is a made-up word (almost a concept!) that is used to group all the trees that stand in a bunch. Now there could be other made up words grouping other things, can't there? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-28-2011, 10:09 AM	#6886
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Ah the Noldoras a kindred/race? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-28-2011, 10:28 AM	#6887
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	A kindred/race - BRILLIANT!!! It is one. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-28-2011, 10:55 AM	#6888
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	There's where I'm getting confused...I wouldn't consider those natural or alive. Did they finish the journey to Valinor? __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-28-2011, 11:18 AM	#6889
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	The Vanyar? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-28-2011, 11:27 AM	#6890
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Did they finish the journey to Valinor - yes, applause! Vanyar - no, look broader. Well, it's a race of people, and they are as natural as any animal... And "alive" just like a forest could be. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-28-2011, 11:30 AM	#6891
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Elveses? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-28-2011, 11:35 AM	#6892
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Well, I suppose its all a matter of opinion...I would consider elves (as a group) alive but divisions within them, such as Noldor, Vanyar, Moriquendi, ect artificial concepts, created by the elves, much the same as say brands of electronics.... Calaquendi? __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-28-2011, 03:06 PM	#6893
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	LBrooke got it! (Sorry, Mith...) I'm sorry if I was confusing. I guess the divisions between Elves are artificial, but the Elves aren't.... Well your turn anyways! __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-28-2011, 03:14 PM	#6894
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Sorry Mith... I'm ready now. It wasn't too confusing...I just have a tendency to over think, I suppose. And I'm worried, so I'm not thinking too clearly...Amrod and Amras kittens aren't doing too well. __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-28-2011, 03:53 PM	#6896
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is is a living thing? - No __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-28-2011, 03:54 PM	#6897
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Object? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-28-2011, 05:31 PM	#6899
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is is a living thing? - No Object? - Yes __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-28-2011, 08:46 PM	#6900
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Crafted? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-28-2011, 09:10 PM	#6901
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is is a living thing? - No Object? - Yes Crafted? - Yes __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-29-2011, 05:52 AM	#6902
Kyranger Wight Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 168	Made by Elves/Elf?

06-29-2011, 07:14 AM	#6903
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Made during the First Age? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-29-2011, 11:22 AM	#6904
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is is a living thing? - No Object? - Yes Crafted? - Yes Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes Made during the First Age? - Yes __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-29-2011, 11:38 AM	#6905
Kyranger Wight Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 168	Weapon?

06-29-2011, 11:59 AM	#6906
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is is a living thing? - No Object? - Yes Crafted? - Yes Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes Made during the First Age? - Yes Weapon? - No __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-29-2011, 12:04 PM	#6907
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Jewels/jewelry? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-29-2011, 01:20 PM	#6908
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is is a living thing? - No Object? - Yes Crafted? - Yes Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes Made during the First Age? - Yes Weapon? - No Jewels/jewelry? - No __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-29-2011, 04:22 PM	#6909
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Armor? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

06-29-2011, 07:48 PM	#6910
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is is a living thing? - No Object? - Yes Crafted? - Yes Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes Made during the First Age? - Yes Weapon? - No Jewels/jewelry? - No Armor? - No __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-30-2011, 08:20 AM	#6911
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Portable? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-30-2011, 02:59 PM	#6912
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Finally! It's not been letting me post or load the site all the way, the entire day... Is is a living thing? - No Object? - Yes Crafted? - Yes Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes Made during the First Age? - Yes Weapon? - No Jewels/jewelry? - No Armor? - No Portable? - Yes __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-30-2011, 08:45 PM	#6913
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Made in Aman? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-30-2011, 09:42 PM	#6914
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is is a living thing? - No Object? - Yes Crafted? - Yes Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes Made during the First Age? - Yes Weapon? - No Jewels/jewelry? - No Armor? - No Portable? - Yes Made in Aman? - Yes __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

06-30-2011, 10:25 PM	#6915
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Palantir? I'm sorry to hear about the kittens... __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

06-30-2011, 11:42 PM	#6916
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Is is a living thing? - No Object? - Yes Crafted? - Yes Made by Elves/Elf? - Yes Made during the First Age? - Yes Weapon? - No Jewels/jewelry? - No Armor? - No Portable? - Yes Made in Aman? - Yes Palantir? - No, but on the right track as far as makers go.... Thanks...I'm just glad I got some pictures of them while they were still healthy. According to the vet, they had some hereditary disease that kept them from digesting food... __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.

07-01-2011, 04:31 AM	#6917
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Weapon? So sorry about the kittens. My first kitten died at 12 weeks. It was horrible. The next one lasted 18 years though.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-01-2011, 12:14 PM	#6918
LadyBrooke Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The modern day version of Edoras: horses, wind, rolling plains =) Posts: 507	Weapon has already been asked, sorry.... And thank you about the kittens...you think I'd be used to it by now, as we live out in the country, and we get all kinds of stray/dropped off pregnant cats, whose kittens end up dying because the mother was sick...at least this year, we've only lost 3, last summer we lost a dozen because some wild animal got into the barn where the strays were and attacked them...that was horrible. __________________ Busy, Busy, Busy...hoping for more free time soon.