The King's Players - Discussion/Planning Thread - Page 14 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pitchwife · 05-17-2011, 12:00 PM

Lovely gatecrashing, Lommy (and thanks for giving me something to react to when I had succumbed to a bit of a writer's block)!

Mnemo, re-reading your last post for Brinn, I thought I'd made it clear above that Coldan didn't actually 'tell his side of the story', or at least not all of it - I imagined him only saying as much as I put between inverted commas in this post (because he thinks Asta and Aldarion had already told Brinn what happened). It's not a big prob, and we can assume he said a bit more between lines, but let's be clear that he didn't tell Brinn the details of his quarrel with Asta or her appearance in the common room last Night.

Thinlómien · 05-17-2011, 06:27 PM

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Lovely gatecrashing, Lommy (and thanks for giving me something to react to when I had succumbed to a bit of a writer's block)

You're welcome.

And aww Galadriel, I was hoping you'd pile up the hysteria just like that, awesome! I pity Brinn and Coldan.

Galadriel55 · 05-17-2011, 06:38 PM

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And aww Galadriel, I was hoping you'd pile up the hysteria just like that, awesome! I pity Brinn and Coldan.

Yeah, poor adults... It's a wonder that they have patience for these teenagers. (yeah, like me

)

Nerwen · 05-18-2011, 06:48 AM

Ah, good old hysteria! It only needs one more ingredient.

I'll be right back...

Nerwen · 05-18-2011, 08:32 AM

So, Mnemo, G55 and Lommy– any objections to how I've written your characters?

Also, Asta says Branor and Therian haven't been seen since last night– if that should be changed, Mnemo, let me know. I thought it was about time someone mentioned those two, but I actually lost track of what's supposed to have happened to them.

Anguirel · 05-18-2011, 09:14 AM

way too funny Nerwen, apparently I still can't rep you

Nerwen · 05-18-2011, 09:20 AM

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way too funny Nerwen, apparently I still can't rep you

It's the thought that counts.

Thinlómien · 05-18-2011, 12:12 PM

Ahaha, Nerwen, I love it! What a nice surprise we have for Mnemo once she comes back from her trip.

the phantom · 05-18-2011, 02:56 PM

Just fyi- I'll be travelling for 2+ weeks, so I can't guarantee when I'll be on (but I'm fairly certain I'll be able to keep up). Just know that PMs may not be answered promptly.

Pitchwife · 05-18-2011, 03:54 PM

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Ahaha, Nerwen, I love it! What a nice surprise we have for Mnemo once she comes back from her trip.

Yes, it's a wonderful surprise party. The more the merrier!
Mnemo, I've borrowed Brinn and had her start on damage control, but if you'd like her to react in a different way that can of course be changed.

Galadriel55 · 05-18-2011, 05:41 PM

Nerwen and Pitch, your posts are absolutely amazing!

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Ahaha, Nerwen, I love it! What a nice surprise we have for Mnemo once she com=Lommyes back from her trip

Seconded.

Thinlómien · 05-19-2011, 04:15 PM

Lol Pitch, even spammers like your posts!

I have written now and probably resolved (or worsened, just imagining what Asta could do in the worst case

) the situation. I will be away for the weekend, so if you need me, I'll be back sometime Sunday evening (European time, obviously!)

Galadriel55 · 05-21-2011, 10:07 AM

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"I found this outside Lord Sador's door– if he really is a lord– yesterDay.

I don't think Asta has ever played werewolf before, but she is quite certain that Sadorwolf killed Aldagifted.

lol

Anguirel · 05-21-2011, 12:27 PM

I went there; a play within a (role)play about a play

Nerwen · 05-21-2011, 07:56 PM

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I don't think Asta has ever played werewolf before, but she is quite certain that Sadorwolf killed Aldagifted.

lol

Ooops. It gets to be such a habit when you play WW a lot!

Nerwen · 05-21-2011, 08:17 PM

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I went there; a play within a (role)play about a play

Ah, but if you think about it, it's still only on the same level of sub-reality as the "War of the Ring" play. Now, if you were the have the characters in this play put on a play...

Galadriel55 · 05-21-2011, 08:49 PM

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Ooops. It gets to be such a habit when you play WW a lot!

It happens.

After half a year of typing Tolkien on the Downs I feel the urge to write LOTR instead of Lord of the Rings, and things like that.

the phantom · 05-21-2011, 11:32 PM

All right Ang- take Aldarion into the shop. You're the one who knows what's there. I'll have him react as soon as I am able.

Anguirel · 05-23-2011, 06:55 AM

I solemnly swear etc: either tonight or alla manana.

Anguirel · 05-24-2011, 02:23 AM

filled in; Romeo & Juliet plus Gondor plus pirates, by the mysterious Beren Lameleg...

Galadriel55 · 05-24-2011, 04:45 PM

Great post, Ang! Where did you get the poetry from? Don't tell me you wrote it yourself!

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...by the mysterious Beren Lameleg...

Why do we even need all that mystery and intrigue? Trying to figure out all the Burlach family relations makes my head hurt.

And by now I don't remember what was Beren's - this one's or anothers - relationship to Cirdacil and Veandur. I don't even remember if his name was really Beren.

And I couldn't find the spot on the game thread for some reason...

Pitchwife · 05-24-2011, 04:52 PM

It's Romeo and Juliet, only Gondoricized.
And Lameleg = Sador, I suppose; must be his pseudonym.

Inziladun · 05-24-2011, 04:54 PM

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Great post, Ang!

Seconded!

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Why do we even need all that mystery and intrigue? Trying to figure out all the Burlach family relations makes my head hurt.

I sympathize with the last.

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And by now I don't remember what was Beren's - this one's or anothers - relationship to Cirdacil and Veandur. I don't even remember if his name was really Beren.

And I couldn't find the spot on the game thread for some reason...

Beren was the name of Cirdacil's brother, and Vëandur's paternal grandfather.

Galadriel55 · 05-24-2011, 05:19 PM

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Beren was the name of Cirdacil's brother, and Vëandur's paternal grandfather.

Thank you. That just made my life so much easier, without that irksome detail bugging me.

Pitchwife · 05-25-2011, 05:31 PM

Forgot to say, Ang, I absolutely third G55's and Zil's applause for your last post. And come to think of it, Beren may well be Sador's real name, if he was named after his uncle.

Nerwen, I see Coldan is now developping a lisp on top of mispronouncing his double-u's and tee-aitches.

(Don't bother to change it, it's OK.)
What's more important, he's starting to come around to Asta's conspiracy theory... Poor Brinn!

Nerwen · 05-25-2011, 06:04 PM

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Nerwen, I see Coldan is now developping a lisp on top of mispronouncing his double-u's and tee-aitches.

(Don't bother to change it, it's OK.)

Sorry!

Galadriel55 · 05-25-2011, 06:08 PM

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Poor Brinn!

Might as well add to it.

Honestly, Thiliel should really mind her manners. If you (or your character

) think that she should mind her own business, don't hesitate to tell her so.

the phantom · 05-25-2011, 10:33 PM

I was trying not to read what was happening while Aldarion was gone so that I could be properly ignorant upon his return, but all of your comments... I can't resist reading.

Ang- I'm assuming your Írildë character was meant to be the noble lady in ancient Numenor, so I wrote that in. Please say so if you wish me to undo it. Also, I implied that in Middle Earth serious theater dramas generally favor prose over poetry. The poetic style is used to tell dramatic tales of course, but such things are performed by single speakers narrating the events. When it comes to theater, it has always been convention to speak as true to life as possible (though Aldarion implies that this is not necessarily true of comedies).

Mnemosyne · 05-26-2011, 11:42 AM

Started a post yesterday, finished it this morning, and found all of the more recent developments, so I had to cut out some ACTUAL PUNNERY from Rollan and Brinn idly wondering again where Branor and Therian are. If you want to add their absence to the conspiracy, go ahead.

Anyhow, Brinn is trying to rerail the plot to her own devices, feel free to heed or ignore as you see fit.

Pitchwife · 05-26-2011, 02:08 PM

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so I had to cut out some ACTUAL PUNNERY from Rollan and Brinn idly wondering again where Branor and Therian are

Aw!

But seriously, we're several players short. Do you have any idea whether Fea and Boro are going to come back? And what about Dim?

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Anyhow, Brinn is trying to rerail the plot to her own devices, feel free to heed or ignore as you see fit.

You know what, last night I thought you must be feeling like the DM of the Rings by now...

Mnemosyne · 05-26-2011, 03:59 PM

I'm not--in fact, more than anything, I appreciate you lot keeping things rolling while I've been busy or otherwise absent. In fact, setting things up so that Brinn wants to tear her hair out makes it a lot easier to write things. So no, I'm not feeling like a railroader, but Brinn certainly is.

I haven't heard a thing from Fea, Boro, or Dimturiel, though. Would it be considered rude to PM at this point?

piosenniel · 05-26-2011, 05:03 PM

It looks as if Fea, Boro, and Dimturiel haven't posted in the last 2 weeks. A PM to them would probably be a good idea.

Maybe they would okay their characters to be carried along until they can return to write for them.

~*~ Pio

Formendacil · 05-26-2011, 05:41 PM

I realise I qualify as an "AWOL" right now--I could blame real life, but while there's some truth there, it's mostly that Amdír and I are just waiting until toMorrow, since we don't want to delay toDay extraordinarily long.

However, I *am* reading along--even feeling guilty about not posting, now and again.

Mnemosyne · 05-26-2011, 05:45 PM

Formy, the way I see it, we have two plots going along right now: the intrigue higher in the City and whatever else we're doing down here. I'm basically waiting until the former plot resolves itself before moving to the next day, and since it's taking a while you should feel free to at least say what Amdir's doing. But you have a better RL excuse than most.

Thanks for the advice, pio.

Galadriel55 · 05-26-2011, 06:07 PM

I'm wondering what to do with this post. I wrote that Thiliel shouted, and then had her dramatic moment (

), but no one in the wagon seems to have noticed. I could change all that to thoughts, or I could move this post to a later point in the argument. Or just delete it, if it will make matters easier.

Pitchwife · 05-26-2011, 06:08 PM

In case you're about to post next, Mnemo, Coldan has no major problem with having either of his roles reassigned, but he's going to be adamantly on Asta's side in the matter of Smaug. (Speaking of him, I keep forgetting about his dratted accent.*goes to edit*)

EDIT: Sorry about that, G55 - I thought of writing some reaction into my post, but somehow it didn't fit in. I think your post is too good to lose, and it fits dramatically - maybe, Mnemo, you could edit your last one to have Brinn reassure the girls with a few words?
Anyway, it's bedtime for me. See ya.

Galadriel55 · 05-26-2011, 06:16 PM

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...he's going to be adamantly on Asta's side in the matter of Smaug.

I wonder why.

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(Speaking of him, I keep forgetting about his dratted accent.*goes to edit*)

I like the accent! It makes your posts more interesting to read.

Anguirel · 05-26-2011, 07:13 PM

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Forgot to say, Ang, I absolutely third G55's and Zil's applause for your last post. And come to think of it, Beren may well be Sador's real name, if he was named after his uncle.

If you were a baby named after the hero who performed the greatest Leap of Men and Elves, who also happened as you grew up to be definitely a cripple, would you by any chance rather adopt the name of, well, a cripple?

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Ang- I'm assuming your Írildë character was meant to be the noble lady in ancient Numenor, so I wrote that in. Please say so if you wish me to undo it. Also, I implied that in Middle Earth serious theater dramas generally favor prose over poetry. The poetic style is used to tell dramatic tales of course, but such things are performed by single speakers narrating the events. When it comes to theater, it has always been convention to speak as true to life as possible (though Aldarion implies that this is not necessarily true of comedies).

actually neither I nor Sad...Mr. Lameleg had a historical character in mind - any more than Shakkers referred to any particular Juliet: BUT I'm amused that the historically scrupulous Aldarion makes this assumption, let's keep it; Aerwen will respond to it in my next post. By the way, has Aldarion made any speculations about the mystery playwright's identity or would you rather not say?

re poetry, there will be rhyming and blank verse, as well as prose COMING SOON in the Lameleg canon...

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we have two plots going along right now: the intrigue higher in the City and whatever else we're doing down here. I'm basically waiting until the former plot resolves itself before moving to the next day, and since it's taking a while you should feel free to at least say what Amdir's doing.

sorry, my fault. Kind of got ambitious re: the endless Renaissance drama jokes (ironically originally largely for Formendacil's personal amusement) but I hope it's not boring

will write a decent post tomorrow, bringing Aerwen and her guest to the party proper

Mnemosyne · 05-26-2011, 10:40 PM

Thanks for the heads-up, G55 and Pitch. I'll edit something or other in tomorrow.

Mnemosyne · 05-27-2011, 10:12 AM

Galadriel, the post is now fixed. Again, sorry about that--as I said before, I had started that whole post before any of you had posted.

Also, my very devious mind is suggesting a covert evening "jailbreak" on the part of those who believe Aldarion to be kidnapped, if we want to make things even harder for the players. Just an idea which I can't introduce in the actual gamethread.

05-17-2011, 12:00 PM	#521
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Lovely gatecrashing, Lommy (and thanks for giving me something to react to when I had succumbed to a bit of a writer's block)! Mnemo, re-reading your last post for Brinn, I thought I'd made it clear above that Coldan didn't actually 'tell his side of the story', or at least not all of it - I imagined him only saying as much as I put between inverted commas in this post (because he thinks Asta and Aldarion had already told Brinn what happened). It's not a big prob, and we can assume he said a bit more between lines, but let's be clear that he didn't tell Brinn the details of his quarrel with Asta or her appearance in the common room last Night. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

05-18-2011, 06:48 AM	#524
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Ah, good old hysteria! It only needs one more ingredient. I'll be right back... __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

05-18-2011, 08:32 AM	#525
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	So, Mnemo, G55 and Lommy– any objections to how I've written your characters? Also, Asta says Branor and Therian haven't been seen since last night– if that should be changed, Mnemo, let me know. I thought it was about time someone mentioned those two, but I actually lost track of what's supposed to have happened to them. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

05-18-2011, 09:14 AM	#526
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	way too funny Nerwen, apparently I still can't rep you __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

05-18-2011, 12:12 PM	#528
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Ahaha, Nerwen, I love it! What a nice surprise we have for Mnemo once she comes back from her trip. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-18-2011, 02:56 PM	#529
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Just fyi- I'll be travelling for 2+ weeks, so I can't guarantee when I'll be on (but I'm fairly certain I'll be able to keep up). Just know that PMs may not be answered promptly. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-19-2011, 04:15 PM	#532
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Lol Pitch, even spammers like your posts! I have written now and probably resolved (or worsened, just imagining what Asta could do in the worst case ) the situation. I will be away for the weekend, so if you need me, I'll be back sometime Sunday evening (European time, obviously!) __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-21-2011, 12:27 PM	#534
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I went there; a play within a (role)play about a play __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

05-21-2011, 11:32 PM	#538
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	All right Ang- take Aldarion into the shop. You're the one who knows what's there. I'll have him react as soon as I am able. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-23-2011, 06:55 AM	#539
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I solemnly swear etc: either tonight or alla manana. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

05-24-2011, 02:23 AM	#540
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	filled in; Romeo & Juliet plus Gondor plus pirates, by the mysterious Beren Lameleg... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

05-24-2011, 04:52 PM	#542
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	It's Romeo and Juliet, only Gondoricized. And Lameleg = Sador, I suppose; must be his pseudonym. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

05-25-2011, 05:31 PM	#545
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Forgot to say, Ang, I absolutely third G55's and Zil's applause for your last post. And come to think of it, Beren may well be Sador's real name, if he was named after his uncle. Nerwen, I see Coldan is now developping a lisp on top of mispronouncing his double-u's and tee-aitches. (Don't bother to change it, it's OK.) What's more important, he's starting to come around to Asta's conspiracy theory... Poor Brinn! __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

05-25-2011, 10:33 PM	#548
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I was trying not to read what was happening while Aldarion was gone so that I could be properly ignorant upon his return, but all of your comments... I can't resist reading. Ang- I'm assuming your Írildë character was meant to be the noble lady in ancient Numenor, so I wrote that in. Please say so if you wish me to undo it. Also, I implied that in Middle Earth serious theater dramas generally favor prose over poetry. The poetic style is used to tell dramatic tales of course, but such things are performed by single speakers narrating the events. When it comes to theater, it has always been convention to speak as true to life as possible (though Aldarion implies that this is not necessarily true of comedies). __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-26-2011, 11:42 AM	#549
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Started a post yesterday, finished it this morning, and found all of the more recent developments, so I had to cut out some ACTUAL PUNNERY from Rollan and Brinn idly wondering again where Branor and Therian are. If you want to add their absence to the conspiracy, go ahead. Anyhow, Brinn is trying to rerail the plot to her own devices, feel free to heed or ignore as you see fit. __________________ Got corsets?

05-26-2011, 03:59 PM	#551
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	I'm not--in fact, more than anything, I appreciate you lot keeping things rolling while I've been busy or otherwise absent. In fact, setting things up so that Brinn wants to tear her hair out makes it a lot easier to write things. So no, I'm not feeling like a railroader, but Brinn certainly is. I haven't heard a thing from Fea, Boro, or Dimturiel, though. Would it be considered rude to PM at this point? __________________ Got corsets?

05-26-2011, 05:03 PM	#552
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	It looks as if Fea, Boro, and Dimturiel haven't posted in the last 2 weeks. A PM to them would probably be a good idea. Maybe they would okay their characters to be carried along until they can return to write for them. ~*~ Pio

05-26-2011, 05:41 PM	#553
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	I realise I qualify as an "AWOL" right now--I could blame real life, but while there's some truth there, it's mostly that Amdír and I are just waiting until toMorrow, since we don't want to delay toDay extraordinarily long. However, I am reading along--even feeling guilty about not posting, now and again. __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

05-26-2011, 05:45 PM	#554
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Formy, the way I see it, we have two plots going along right now: the intrigue higher in the City and whatever else we're doing down here. I'm basically waiting until the former plot resolves itself before moving to the next day, and since it's taking a while you should feel free to at least say what Amdir's doing. But you have a better RL excuse than most. Thanks for the advice, pio. __________________ Got corsets?

05-26-2011, 06:07 PM	#555
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,492	I'm wondering what to do with this post. I wrote that Thiliel shouted, and then had her dramatic moment (), but no one in the wagon seems to have noticed. I could change all that to thoughts, or I could move this post to a later point in the argument. Or just delete it, if it will make matters easier. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

05-26-2011, 06:08 PM	#556
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	In case you're about to post next, Mnemo, Coldan has no major problem with having either of his roles reassigned, but he's going to be adamantly on Asta's side in the matter of Smaug. (Speaking of him, I keep forgetting about his dratted accent.goes to edit) EDIT: Sorry about that, G55 - I thought of writing some reaction into my post, but somehow it didn't fit in. I think your post is too good to lose, and it fits dramatically - maybe, Mnemo, you could edit your last one to have Brinn reassure the girls with a few words? Anyway, it's bedtime for me. See ya. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI Last edited by Pitchwife; 05-26-2011 at 06:19 PM.

05-26-2011, 10:40 PM	#559
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Thanks for the heads-up, G55 and Pitch. I'll edit something or other in tomorrow. __________________ Got corsets?

05-27-2011, 10:12 AM	#560
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Galadriel, the post is now fixed. Again, sorry about that--as I said before, I had started that whole post before any of you had posted. Also, my very devious mind is suggesting a covert evening "jailbreak" on the part of those who believe Aldarion to be kidnapped, if we want to make things even harder for the players. Just an idea which I can't introduce in the actual gamethread. __________________ Got corsets?