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Eomer of the Rohirrim · 10-27-2002, 08:56 AM

So was the mithril coat really made by the Elves? Or is it merely an assumption by the movie-makers?
I always thought it was made by the Dwarves for the Elves. Could well be wrong. Help?

Elrian · 10-27-2002, 10:17 AM

Sting was made by the Elves, the mithril shirt by Dwarves, mithril was only found in Moria, and forged there. In the book I beleive Gandalf tells Bilbo that the mithril shirt was probably made for some Elven prince or something to that effect. But Sting was made in Gondolin for the wars between the Elves and the forces of Morgoth.

Orual · 10-27-2002, 01:18 PM

Yeah, the mithril-coat was made by the Dwarves. From Return of the King:

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'Dwarf-coat, elf-cloak, blade of the downfallen West...'

::shivers:: One of the most chilling parts in the whole novel...but I digress. And I think it said something about Elven princes that had to do with mithril in Fellowship, but for the life of me I can't remember or find it.

~*~Orual~*~

Elenna · 10-27-2002, 02:44 PM

I know there was a line said by I think Aragorn

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Here's a pretty hobbit skin to wrap an Elven princeling in

As disturbing as I think that line is, it does mention the Elves, but not as the makers of the coat. The did love mithril above all other metals, but Bilbo's coat wasn't made by them.

TolkienGurl · 10-27-2002, 03:23 PM

I think an orc said that. Not sure, though.

Elenna · 10-27-2002, 03:30 PM

No, I just checked. It was when Frodo revealed to the Fellowship why the spear that would have skewered a wild boar didn't skewer a hobbit. Aragorn said it.

Orual · 10-27-2002, 05:01 PM

Ah! That's what it was! But...I looked for it...what page? What edition do you have? This is going to drive me crazy!

~*~Orual~*~

Childlike Empress · 10-27-2002, 06:50 PM

It doesn't seem like something Aragorn would say...

Diamond18 · 10-27-2002, 07:07 PM

He did, though. It's in Chapter VI, Lothlórien. It's in the begininng of the chapter. I'm glad that line wasn't in the movie. It continues with;

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"...If it were known that hobbits had such hides, all the hunters of Middle-earth would be riding to the Shire."

That's sick...Tolkien must have been in a "mood". (Can you imagine? Hobbit season...horrors!)

TolkienGurl · 10-27-2002, 07:28 PM

That's gross! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Lindolirian · 10-27-2002, 08:34 PM

In the Hobbit when Thorin gives the coat to Bilbo it is said that it was made by the Dwarves for a small Elven prince. In the movie when Bilbo says, "Yes, made by the Elves you know," I believe he was speaking of the sword Sting, which was made by the Elves of Gondolin.

Childlike Empress · 10-28-2002, 09:46 AM

Yes indeed; when he said it, naught but Sting had made its appearance. We (and Frodo) didn't even know of the coat's existence when Bilbo said that line.

[ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: Childlike Empress ]

Luinsewiel · 10-28-2002, 05:22 PM

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That's sick...Tolkien must have been in a "mood".

I think Strider was just joking about the hobbit hunting thing, it seemed that way to me anyway. [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img]

Elenna · 10-28-2002, 06:45 PM

I'm pretty sure that Aragorn was being sarcastic.

Diamond18 · 10-28-2002, 11:00 PM

Well, yes, I'm sure it was a joke. But it made me stop and actually picture it in my mind...skinning a hobbit. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] (My imagination tends to take things and run wild with them, all in a manner of nanoseconds, before I can reason the thought away.)

Kalimac · 10-28-2002, 11:35 PM

Of course, the *real* question is, how on earth did the Mouth of Sauron know that Dwarves had made the coat instead of Elves? They both used mithril, so...ahh, never mind, maybe he could smell it or something.

I might not remember correctly, but I kind of remember the "Made by the Elves" as referring primarily to Sting, but Sting and the mithril coat were presented almost simultaneously, and the line could have been taken as referring to both items. In which case I wouldn't really say that they were being inconsistent, just that Bilbo is having a bit of a "senior moment" so to speak (he does forget things a lot towards the end)...

Diamond18 · 10-28-2002, 11:46 PM

I think that he was referring specifically to Sting, because if I recall correctly, the whole line goes, "Yes, made by the elves, you know. The blade glows blue when orcs are near."

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 10-30-2002, 06:21 AM

You know, you're totally right! This thread was pointless. My apologies.

Helkahothion · 10-30-2002, 01:57 PM

Sting was forched by the elves and the Mithril armor by the Dwarves. Gandalf Thinks it was made for a prince of elves. And Aragorn confirmed that.
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10-27-2002, 08:56 AM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Yes, made by the Elves you know So was the mithril coat really made by the Elves? Or is it merely an assumption by the movie-makers? I always thought it was made by the Dwarves for the Elves. Could well be wrong. Help? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

10-27-2002, 10:17 AM	#2
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Sting was made by the Elves, the mithril shirt by Dwarves, mithril was only found in Moria, and forged there. In the book I beleive Gandalf tells Bilbo that the mithril shirt was probably made for some Elven prince or something to that effect. But Sting was made in Gondolin for the wars between the Elves and the forces of Morgoth. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

10-27-2002, 03:23 PM	#5
TolkienGurl Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 637	I think an orc said that. Not sure, though. __________________ Hopes fail. An end comes. We have only a little time to wait now. We are lost in ruin and downfall and there is no escape. -Frodo My Livejournal

10-27-2002, 03:30 PM	#6
Elenna A Ghostly Light Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My private bubble of innocence Posts: 563	No, I just checked. It was when Frodo revealed to the Fellowship why the spear that would have skewered a wild boar didn't skewer a hobbit. Aragorn said it. __________________ If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."

10-27-2002, 05:01 PM	#7
Orual Speaker of the Dead Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Superbia Posts: 868	Ah! That's what it was! But...I looked for it...what page? What edition do you have? This is going to drive me crazy! ~~Orual~~ __________________ "Oh, my god! I care so little, I almost passed out!" --Dr. Cox, "Scrubs"

10-27-2002, 06:50 PM	#8
Childlike Empress Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fantasia Posts: 109	It doesn't seem like something Aragorn would say... __________________ Fantasia is with you in your heart. It is the story of which we are a part. Take my hand, come with me, join in my Neverending Story.

10-27-2002, 07:28 PM	#10
TolkienGurl Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 637	That's gross! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] __________________ Hopes fail. An end comes. We have only a little time to wait now. We are lost in ruin and downfall and there is no escape. -Frodo My Livejournal

10-27-2002, 08:34 PM	#11
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	In the Hobbit when Thorin gives the coat to Bilbo it is said that it was made by the Dwarves for a small Elven prince. In the movie when Bilbo says, "Yes, made by the Elves you know," I believe he was speaking of the sword Sting, which was made by the Elves of Gondolin. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

10-28-2002, 09:46 AM	#12
Childlike Empress Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fantasia Posts: 109	Yes indeed; when he said it, naught but Sting had made its appearance. We (and Frodo) didn't even know of the coat's existence when Bilbo said that line. [ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: Childlike Empress ] __________________ Fantasia is with you in your heart. It is the story of which we are a part. Take my hand, come with me, join in my Neverending Story.

10-28-2002, 06:45 PM	#14
Elenna A Ghostly Light Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My private bubble of innocence Posts: 563	I'm pretty sure that Aragorn was being sarcastic. __________________ If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."

10-28-2002, 11:00 PM	#15
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Well, yes, I'm sure it was a joke. But it made me stop and actually picture it in my mind...skinning a hobbit. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] (My imagination tends to take things and run wild with them, all in a manner of nanoseconds, before I can reason the thought away.) __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

10-28-2002, 11:35 PM	#16
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	Of course, the real question is, how on earth did the Mouth of Sauron know that Dwarves had made the coat instead of Elves? They both used mithril, so...ahh, never mind, maybe he could smell it or something. I might not remember correctly, but I kind of remember the "Made by the Elves" as referring primarily to Sting, but Sting and the mithril coat were presented almost simultaneously, and the line could have been taken as referring to both items. In which case I wouldn't really say that they were being inconsistent, just that Bilbo is having a bit of a "senior moment" so to speak (he does forget things a lot towards the end)... __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

10-28-2002, 11:46 PM	#17
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	I think that he was referring specifically to Sting, because if I recall correctly, the whole line goes, "Yes, made by the elves, you know. The blade glows blue when orcs are near." __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

10-30-2002, 06:21 AM	#18
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	You know, you're totally right! This thread was pointless. My apologies. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

10-30-2002, 01:57 PM	#19
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	Sting was forched by the elves and the Mithril armor by the Dwarves. Gandalf Thinks it was made for a prince of elves. And Aragorn confirmed that. ________ Ford Meteor History Last edited by Helkahothion; 03-07-2011 at 02:03 AM.