Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[the phantom]

Ha ha ha! I think the Dead Thread just got spammed. Somebody named "RHCC" just posted there.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yesterday's lynch was weird, and I think we need to decide whether or not we want the Dead Thread to check Lottie. The case against her I felt was quite strong for a Wolf, but there at the end she had the obvious look of a Cobbler.

Personally I think Cobbler is the most likely, however, if she was a Wolf her move was actually quite a brilliant one, seeing as there were still enough voters out there to save her and it made her, as I said, look so obviously like a Cobbler.

And then of course there is Daughter's seeming lack of interest in keeping herself alive. Another Cobbler? Or is it at all possible that both of them were willing to bite the bullet because the alternate candidate was a fellow Wolf? Or was Daughter the Cobbler betting Lottie was her Wolf master? I would VERY much like to find out what was going on.

Elra had just seen the "hey-wait-guys–she's-only-a-cobbler" reaction to Lottie's throwaway vote– maybe it seemed like a wise move to her to follow suit?

I think the Dead should check Lottie, yes– however we cannot now afford to wait on the result: if we haven't in fact managed to lynch a wolf yet we are in major trouble. I think it's necessary now to work from assumptions: "If Lottie/Nessa was a wolf, who might her packmates be? If neither was, what other pattern makes sense?" Etc.

Anyway, what does everyone make of this?–

Originally Posted by Rikae

Beside Legate they found an empty cup, and a similar one in Wilwa's hand contained a small amount of clear liquid. They decided to allow the winner of the Day's election the honor of sampling this to determine what it might be.

[Boromir88]

I'm a gonna have to vote really early, due to a new job that's taking me away for the weekend. (But I likes this new job, much, yes I does )

I should be generally around until 12 EST, then will have to vote.

[Rikae]

Because Legate and Wilwa are not simply dead, but no longer playing, I've decided to reveal what their roles were (check the narration).

I decided to treat their roles differently from BG's since it is later in the game and they are actually dropping out.

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Anyway, what does everyone make of this?

Well, it's a bloody disaster, isn't it. I think Rikae said their roles were to be revealed? The substance is clearly virulent poison, and it looks to me like we've lost two further innocents at an utterly crippling point.

For the record I'll be very surprised, too, if Nessa turns out to be a wolf. I do though think we are one wolf down. I'm so sure about Loslote that if I'm wrong about her I'm probably wrong about Nessa...

I distrust the phantom with extreme prejudice. I don't like his immediate if typical attempt to claim the Day's direction and steer it towards Elron, a vulnerable, easy-to-lynch candidate whom he knows many people (me for instance) vaguely suspect. As in WW I itself, our "two luminaries", phantom and Boro, the great statistical plotters, are at war. It is very unlikely that both are guilty. At the moment I would also say that neither are wolves, and that phantom is, after all, a Cobbler.

Which means we cannot dismiss that aboriginal question. Was Nogrod telling the truth?

Another thing we should consider is that Mith was almost certainly the object of last night's protection. Let's just hope she wasn't also the protector (I think this unlikely; while I've seen Mith be an excellent Draugluin ranger protecting herself wouldn't be her style).

This day is very perilous and we may well be dealing with a majority hostile population. It really doesn't help that two of the people I felt best about happened to choose to withdraw. Absolutely hamstringing.

Can I just reassure the Moddess, though, who seems to worry that this game isn't working in the admin thread, that in its traumatic, stressful, fiendish way it is very exciting indeed, and I at least am glad I participated.

I'll go through my feelings about the remainder of our camp quickly -

Glirdan - as laid out above, a relatively high level of trust that unfortunately you seem unlikely to reciprocate.
A Little Green - you've acted quietly and judiciously and been quite fairminded about me re sally, which is of course simultaneously reassuring and worrying. But there are others I suspect more.
Nerwen has been helpful and clear-thinking and I would be very reluctant to lynch her; she reminds me of an innocent Firefoot, sorry to be retro
sally your vote was I think helpful and you took lengths to produce it. Your alliance with phantom seems unsettlingly unconditional though. You keep saying "I'm so amazed to find myself agreeing him". I'm not very amazed. On the other hand if you are wolf Loslote is not one. A wolf for wolf vote could never be so baroque
phantom and Boro, see above
Elron, leaning framed innocent purely because of phantom's apparent desire to see you dead

damnation, I seem genuinely only to suspect the phantom now. Consumed in obsession. And I don't even think he's a wolf, just a Cobbler.

sally voted for both Nessa and Loslote, a very good looking record but, oh, Eru, could we still have three wolves?

[Anguirel]

Just seen Rikae's new information. It is helpful to know that Legate - whom phantom as well as I, I noticed, assumed was looking innocent - was illwilled. That seems to cast more conclusive doubt on Nogrod's case (provided Legate knew what he was doing), for Legate was his longest and latest supporter.

[Anguirel]

Now Mith, my only countrywoman as well as the only person with whom I was in a real position of mutual trust, is down I know there won't be action here for a while. Still there's still one question I'd like sorted.

This game has involved a lot of bossing by villagers; bossing of the Gifteds, bossing of the Dead. I really disapprove of this style of doing things, as I've mentioned. But I must admit I lean towards advising Glorfindel to come out, really. We have so little other information. We could even (very much not my way of doing things this) put that question to a vote, in which case I would be for (though of course our protector need not be bound my such a vote)


and one other matter. How near are we, statistically, to defeat? Could someone better at counting than I am (seriously, I study poetry, I dropped maths at fifteen, I am mentally and verbally innumerate) help me out here? If there are two wolves, does one failed lynch and one kill finish us? let me see. 2 from 8 = 6. Now if there are three - yeah. If there are three we're seriously close to the wall now, especially as there's probably still a cobbler around, even if I'm pretty sure his name is phantom

[Boromir88]

My vote the previous day would have been either for phantom or Lottie. And if I was on to see the situation, then would have voted Lottie, for whatever that's worse. It wouldn't have changed the outcome.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

and one other matter. How near are we, statistically, to defeat? Could someone better at counting than I am (seriously, I study poetry, I dropped maths at fifteen, I am mentally and verbally innumerate) help me out here? If there are two wolves, does one failed lynch and one kill finish us? let me see. 2 from 8 = 6. Now if there are three - yeah. If there are three we're seriously close to the wall now, especially as there's probably still a cobbler around, even if I'm pretty sure his name is phantom

With Legate being a known cobbler, doesn't it seem like we've already killed 5 cobblers so far?

Obviously that's not possible, and it's feasible that all those turning up not-wolves, are indeed not cobblers. But taking out Legate, there's two left and it's entirely plausible one of the known not-wolves in the dead thread is cobblery.

I guess my point is, at this stage in the game, we have to go for straight up tricky and false behavior. If the person's a cobbler, and we lose, so be it. But we can't have 5-6 cobblers running around here, so there's got to be wolves in this forsaken place somewhere.

My jump on phantom boils down to I think that was an orchestrated double-lynch be phantom and Lottie. Lottie we know, follows around phantom like a puppy, and having played wolves with her before, she will take a bullet for a packmate. Phantom could have easily set that play up at night, by cherry-picking Lommy (which I admit I fell for because I thought her behavior was being completely ridiculous) while Lottie (or another packmate) go after Nessa.

And now that I'm on this subject, don't you find that business between Nog and phantom a bit too clean? Nog sets the noose around his own neck, and phantom starts proclaiming he knew what Nog was going to do, after the previous day defending Nog.

Add on top of that, phantom's plans and his post on Glorfindel's reveal, I truly and completely disagreed with. It was far too early to ask Glorfindel to reveal his/her info. And to argue that he wanted Glorfindel out and then to force the wolf pack into believing they had to kill him is ridiculous. Even though this was only yesterday, with basically what amounts to a triple-lynch during the night, if Glorfy's alive, looking at the desperate situation and need for some type of tangible roles...now is as good of a time as any for Glorfy to step out.

However, no one needs to go on their high horse and start vehemently demanding it. *Remembers what wolf-Nog and cobbler-me did to poor Wilwa-Ranger in a not so distant past.*

[Boromir88]

My last post is saying, believe me or not, it makes no difference to me.

The most manipulative and mis-leading player this entire duration has been the phantom. Lynch him, even if he may only turn up cobbler.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Well, it's a bloody disaster, isn't it. I think Rikae said their roles were to be revealed? The substance is clearly virulent poison, and it looks to me like we've lost two further innocents at an utterly crippling point.

An innocent and a cobbler, as it turns out. But I meant this part:

Originally Posted by The narration

They decided to allow the winner of the Day's election the honor of sampling this to determine what it might be.

A further twist in the game? It seems to imply toDay's double-voter will die.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

If there are two wolves, does one failed lynch and one kill finish us? let me see. 2 from 8 = 6. Now if there are three - yeah. If there are three we're seriously close to the wall now, especially as there's probably still a cobbler around, even if I'm pretty sure his name is phantom

I don't think there can be more than three villains (of all kinds) still living. But that's still pretty bad.

EDIT:X'd with Boro.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boro

My jump on phantom boils down to I think that was an orchestrated double-lynch be phantom and Lottie. Lottie we know, follows around phantom like a puppy, and having played wolves with her before, she will take a bullet for a packmate. Phantom could have easily set that play up at night, by cherry-picking Lommy (which I admit I fell for because I thought her behavior was being completely ridiculous) while Lottie (or another packmate) go after Nessa.

And now that I'm on this subject, don't you find that business between Nog and phantom a bit too clean? Nog sets the noose around his own neck, and phantom starts proclaiming he knew what Nog was going to do, after the previous day defending Nog.

First part makes sense, but you're surely not implying Nog and tp are packmates, are you? Nog tried to get himself checked in Mandos, remember, which more-or-less rules him out as a wolf.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

A further twist in the game? It seems to imply toDay's double-voter will die.

No twists. The person "elected" to be lynched toDay will die, (as usual).