Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[the phantom]

The Voting:

Nerwen ++ Nessa
Green ++ Lommy
Boro ++ Lommy (2)
Legate ++ Nessa (2)
Lommy ++ Nessa (3)
Sally ++ Nessa (4)
Nessa ++ Lommy (3)
Agan ++ Boro

[the phantom]

Thinking back on the events of yesterday, at the time when Nessa sided with Nog and voted for me, there had already been some stiff resistance put up against him. Why would she not enter the debate at any point or await a resolution or anything but rather just swoop in with "I believe him" and vote?

In some games Wolves have been too eager to believe Seer claims because they want to look like they're on the right side. But in this case with the claim so hotly contested I don't think it works the same. Especially if she's a WW it doesn't work because she could've perhaps gained some credibility by siding against a perceived Nobbler, right? I don't think her move makes sense from a WW perspective, but perhaps it does if she's a Cobbler, as she would simply want to come down on the wrong side of the issue and perhaps did it so quickly and didn't wait so that it wouldn't look so bad? (I mean, if she had done it after Nog was outed then no way could she have gotten away with it, but at that time...)

Does that make any sense? Basically I'm saying she's probably not a Wolf, and maybe a bit more likely Cobbler than Innocent.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Thinking back on the events of yesterday, at the time when Nessa sided with Nog and voted for me, there had already been some stiff resistance put up against him. Why would she not enter the debate at any point or await a resolution or anything but rather just swoop in with "I believe him" and vote?

In some games Wolves have been too eager to believe Seer claims because they want to look like they're on the right side. But in this case with the claim so hotly contested I don't think it works the same. Especially if she's a WW it doesn't work because she could've perhaps gained some credibility by siding against a perceived Nobbler, right? I don't think her move makes sense from a WW perspective, but perhaps it does if she's a Cobbler, as she would simply want to come down on the wrong side of the issue and perhaps did it so quickly and didn't wait so that it wouldn't look so bad? (I mean, if she had done it after Nog was outed then no way could she have gotten away with it, but at that time...)

Does that make any sense? Basically I'm saying she's probably not a Wolf, and maybe a bit more likely Cobbler than Innocent.

I was thinking it could also have been a rather clumsy wolf-move, though. She's not all that experienced.

[satansaloser2005]

Dumb question regarding Agan's plan. What if we lynch Phantom (for instance) and he's a wolf with Wilwa? Or what if he's an innocent and Ang is a wolf? We could easily learn loads from beyond the grave but end up letting wolves steer the lynches as a result.

Maybe the village could decide on two people that we trust the most, and have them be the indicators, rather than simple alphabetical order? Of course if they die, we have to select new people, but I like it better than it just being the alphabet. At the same time, if Wilwa dies I'm at the end, and I know I'm innocent, so I'd be okay with having the power (), but to others it could still appear dangerous.

Don't get me wrong, princess. It's a good plan. I'm just worried about how it'll pan out.


ETA: make that Greenie, not Ang. But still.

ETA #2: Forget what I said about the alphabet. I'm a dork. Insert list for alphabet. Sorry. :/

[elronds_daughter]

I don't quite understand this vote-related system of communication (but that's probably my fault for not having time to read thoroughly). But as long as it makes sense, it's fine by me.

Anywho. Must run soon, so...

++ Lommy

Because despite her endearing comparison of me to Pooh, she seems (to me, at least) to be playing oddly.

Besides, if it turns out she's innocent, she's one of those "helpful ghost" candidates.

I hope this doesn't turn out to be a double-lynch. That would be bad. Ugh.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Her absence and lack of....shall we say enthusiasm (and because I know she has a LOT of stuff going on in RL)...leads me to believe in her innocence.

That's what I mean. That's why it's a perfect strategy. And of course there is the chance that she has somehow found something more interesting than WW in her RL. Fat chance of that I know, but still, maybe just maybe there are other fun things to do? Football for instance?

And naturally bits of that aren't completely serious, but anyway, the way she came in late with the "oops" just really made me raise my eyebrows. If it's not a bit of strategy then it's certainly a bit of meta-game gamesmanship on her part that makes her look quite clean, which isn't exactly proper.

But yes, certainly if she's risking modfire it'd be silly to bother, and I hadn't planned on doing it today anyway. My strong words were meant more for her, along the lines of threatening her to play just in case she was just floating around out there watching.

[the phantom]

I think that's the idea, Glirdan. (I wasn't the one who came up with it, so I can't answer for certain.)

For instance, today... We sent down Nog yesterday. The dead check Nog overnight and if he comes up WW then the last person on the list (right now it's Shasta) gets the extra vote, which we would see in today's narration. If Nog comes up non-Wolf then Agan I believe gets the extra vote.

At least I think that's what Agan had in mind.

[the phantom]

Wait, what if there's a double-lynch some day. Which player will the Dead check?

Unless someone else comes up with something, how about we just say the FIRST to reach their final vote total is checked by the Dead. Oh- and just so we have this straight, we will consider the extra vote to be cast at the same time as the regular vote of the person with the extra voting power.

[Mithalwen]

You could make it odds and even places on the list to give less scope for the wolves to anticipate the votee and give thedead more flexibility?

[Glirdan]

OH!! Okay, we mean on the dead thread list!! Got it!! Okay, makes more sense when you explain it with names lol

And in that case, I am much more inclined to agree with phantom and Nerwen and say that we need to set a deadline on how long this will go for, because, as pointed out already, as the list of the living gets shorter, the easier it will be for the Wolves to manipulate this to their own agendas.

EDIT: xed since phantyphaces explanation to me

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by phantom

Now about multi-lynches- what about today? It's very close between Lommy and Nessa. If they end up 1 vote apart they could very well be doubled. If they end up tied then almost certainly only one will be lynched (and who knows which?). How worried should we even be about a double? I mean, I'm thinking even if Nessa is up by two when I vote I'll still want to take a shot at Lommy seeing as I suspect her. It would be kind of pointless for me not to try and give her the possibility of being lynched if I just plan on trying again tomorrow, right?

Or is this a case where the loser should just swallow it and do what is possible to avoid the double? The later we get in the game the more pointless it seems trying to dodge doubles seeing as the liklihood of hitting a WW is higher at this stage. Yes?

I personally think a double toDay could be a very bad idea seeing as we're loosing Agan on top of whoever we lynch. If we do a double today, we risk loosing three innocents in one shot. I personally am very torn between both and don't know who to decide....I'm leaning more towards Nessa seeing as I have more reason to suspect her and I haven't looked closely at Lommy over the past couple of days. I'll give it a few more minutes before I vote.

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[Loslote]

I'm definitely leaning more towards Nessa. There are a lot of points where Lommy strikes me as quite innocent, and none where Nessa does so. I'll wait and see if she's got enough more votes than Lommy, though - Glirdy makes a good point about no double lynches.

EDIT: xed with TP

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by the phantom

That's what I mean. That's why it's a perfect strategy. And of course there is the chance that she has somehow found something more interesting than WW in her RL. Fat chance of that I know, but still, maybe just maybe there are other fun things to do? Football for instance?

And naturally bits of that aren't completely serious, but anyway, the way she came in late with the "oops" just really made me raise my eyebrows. If it's not a bit of strategy then it's certainly a bit of meta-game gamesmanship on her part that makes her look quite clean, which isn't exactly proper.

But yes, certainly if she's risking modfire it'd be silly to bother, and I hadn't planned on doing it today anyway. My strong words were meant more for her, along the lines of threatening her to play just in case she was just floating around out there watching.

Sitting back and pretending to forget that the game is going on, and willfully not participating, is not a strategy I have ever, or will ever use. Not playing in order to skim by without suspicion is a way of cheating in my eyes, and I wouldn't ever do that. I honestly totally thought it was still Night time, the last two days have been so crazy they must have just muddled all up into feeling like 1 really long day in my mind.

I do have a lot on my plate right now, and Glirdan is the only person on the entire planet who understands the full extent of it. I didn't expect it all to effect this so much, I actually thought this game would be a way to get my mind off it, but I just find myself forgetting about the game instead. I'm really sorry about that, because this game has amazing players and a fantastic concept, and I was really excited to play. I'm especially sorry because the next two Days fall on my 2 busiest days of the week, and I know for a fact that I will not be able to come on at all toMorrow, and probably very little the Day after. I'm tempted to just let myself get modfired, but I don't think that would do much good for the village, and I already feel bad enough about my lack of participation, I don't want to make things worse by decreasing our numbers.

So since I can't make an informed decision for a vote, seeing as how I've barely had the chance to skim through toDay, I'm probably going to copy either Shasta or Agan's vote, since they are the only two I know I can trust. At least that way my vote is more like giving one of them an extra vote, since an uneducated vote by me could cause more damage. It's the best I can do, and I'm really sorry I can't be of more use.

x'ed with e_d