Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aganzir · 01-30-2011, 07:24 PM

I have been thinking about it, and the easiest way I could come up with is the one I mentioned briefly. Now I'd just like to hear opinions...

Basically, if the last player lynched (in case of a multiple lynch, the 1st to receive the highest number of votes) was not a wolf, we'll give the double vote to the player first on the player list, or if we don't trust her for one reason or another, the 2nd/3rd/etc. If the lynched player was a wolf, the last (or the 2nd/3rd/etc last) player gets the double vote the following day. If we do this, we should probably agree to stop when there's a set number of players left, say 6, because then the votes may have a much bigger influence.

We should probably just exclude possible seer information. If the seer reveals here, she can tell her dreams (except the last) to the village; if she dies before revealing, we have no way of letting the village know she was the seer.

I am aware people might disagree with me on the idea, saying they'd rather double the most innocent-looking player's vote, but I think it all comes down to how much we want to help the village. We can keep playing like we always have, vote for the person we like and leave the village wondering about why we chose her, or we can find a way to give them information.

The problems I can see with this are the baddies messing around, or the wolves basing their kills on who might get more votes. There are probably more but I'm not going to start thinking it through at this hour. Now the question is, do you think that (or something similar) is workable or is it too complicated/risky?

Boromir88 · 01-30-2011, 07:47 PM

I might as well not even try anymore, since obviously every word typed out of my fingers is a hint of some devilry. (Beware! It's another hint! Ahh I did it again!

) Love you as much as a I do Agan, if you say you know more about when I'm dropping hints to people than I do myself, you can't be surprised I'm going to disagree on that.

And Lommy, I never said anything about dropping your suspicions because you're a friend. I'm saying I thought I'd get better treatment, even if you were suspicious of me for good reason, and you wouldn't stand idly by for the vague feelings of guilt trumped up against me.

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Originally Posted by phantom

Yeah... still think Boro's a Cobbler. If he's a Wolf playing Cobbler in order to survive then my hat is off to him. Sorry lad- it's just the impression that I've carried on from Day 1 and I haven't had a chance to hit the reset button, and I can't give you a better explanation than that.

Yeah, because that is really going to help me and give me a fair shot to prove to you I'm not a cobbler nor a wolf. Thanks bud.

the phantom · 01-30-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro

Yeah, because that is really going to help me and give me a fair shot to prove to you I'm not a cobbler nor a wolf. Thanks bud.

You're not on the lynch menu currently, so you don't have to prove anything to me today. If we're both around next day I'll try and be better prepared to hash things out.

Boromir88 · 01-30-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

You're not on the lynch menu currently, so you don't have to prove anything to me today. If we're both around next day I'll try and be better prepared to hash things out.

Fair enough.

I should retire, even if I'm not on the "menu" today, I'm not liking where this is heading against Nessa, but can't do anything about that now other than get more grumpy.

the phantom · 01-30-2011, 07:54 PM

Boro- why is Nessa under threat and why don't you like it?

People against Nessa- I'd like to hear your versions as well.

Boromir88 · 01-30-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phantom

Boro- why is Nessa under threat and why don't you like it?

She's got 4 votes already and at least Agan is seriously considering voting her. Don't know where Shasta or others who haven't voted stand.

As to why I don't like it, it looks far to easy as I said in post 459:

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I think Nessa's too easy of a target. Granted, that's what everyone said when she was a wolf previously, that she was getting framed, but then she fueled the idea she was getting framed. I think we tend to forget when you really don't have any information it's difficult to come up with some impeccable shiny-phantom idea. All you can really do is read what's posted, guess at who sounds good to you, which typically looks like you're just sitting back and going with the flow. Going with the flow is not really a solid reason to suspect someone of wolvery, and Glirdan, you shouldn't overlook the times when Nessa has added her own ideas.

and why I didn't like how there were attempts yesterday to get attention and pressure away from Nogrod onto Nessa. Since, I've been highly suspicious of Nog from basically his first post, I don't trust those who have tried to divert the pressure away from him and onto Nessa.

Edit: crossed with Nessa

elronds_daughter · 01-30-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lommy

I have the impression of her as Winnie the Pooh stuck in my head (apologies if this is insulting, but I personally adore Winnie the Pooh)!

Not insulting at all, dear. I think it's a lovely sentiment.

(Though I'm trying not to let my sudden fondness of you colour my objectivity...)

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Originally Posted by the phantom

People against Nessa- I'd like to hear your versions as well.

I concur. I'm not quite understanding why we don't like Nessa. (Do we ever?

)
Same for Lommy, please. I don't understand the reasoning behind that one either.

EDIT: x'ed with Boro and tp. Thanks for the concise explanation on Nessa.

the phantom · 01-30-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Daughter

Same for Lommy, please. I don't understand the reasoning behind that one either.

I wish to kill Lommy primarily because of the vibe she gave off with her Day 1 Cobbler pointing/instructions, and it seems to me she's continued to be unable to completely shake off that attitude because (so I think) she's a Wolf and thus finding Cobblers is the only help she can offer. And her comment about how Cobblers would have all sorts of brilliant stuff planned... just the way she said it made me think that it was almost a plea/demand "You'd better have some schemes to help us, Cobblers!"

Plus she's a Penguin.

Nessa Telrunya · 01-30-2011, 07:55 PM

++Lommy

Because I don't want to die, and she has the closest number of votes. I do, however, feel like the cases against her are quite valid.

EDIT Xed with phantom: I'm just that tricksy, I suppose. Not to mention as grey as paint drying on a wall.

the phantom · 01-30-2011, 08:04 PM

Wow, I guess I didn't realize how few posts Nessa had. I just reread them all.

And my basic impression? Cobblerish. Not Wolvish.

(x-post Boro)

01-30-2011, 07:24 PM	#1
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	On sending messages from Mandos I have been thinking about it, and the easiest way I could come up with is the one I mentioned briefly. Now I'd just like to hear opinions... Basically, if the last player lynched (in case of a multiple lynch, the 1st to receive the highest number of votes) was not a wolf, we'll give the double vote to the player first on the player list, or if we don't trust her for one reason or another, the 2nd/3rd/etc. If the lynched player was a wolf, the last (or the 2nd/3rd/etc last) player gets the double vote the following day. If we do this, we should probably agree to stop when there's a set number of players left, say 6, because then the votes may have a much bigger influence. We should probably just exclude possible seer information. If the seer reveals here, she can tell her dreams (except the last) to the village; if she dies before revealing, we have no way of letting the village know she was the seer. I am aware people might disagree with me on the idea, saying they'd rather double the most innocent-looking player's vote, but I think it all comes down to how much we want to help the village. We can keep playing like we always have, vote for the person we like and leave the village wondering about why we chose her, or we can find a way to give them information. The problems I can see with this are the baddies messing around, or the wolves basing their kills on who might get more votes. There are probably more but I'm not going to start thinking it through at this hour. Now the question is, do you think that (or something similar) is workable or is it too complicated/risky? __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle. Last edited by Aganzir; 01-30-2011 at 07:25 PM. Reason: xed with sally & Mith

01-30-2011, 07:54 PM	#5
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Boro- why is Nessa under threat and why don't you like it? People against Nessa- I'd like to hear your versions as well. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

01-30-2011, 07:55 PM	#9
Nessa Telrunya Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In a paper bag Posts: 396	++Lommy Because I don't want to die, and she has the closest number of votes. I do, however, feel like the cases against her are quite valid. EDIT Xed with phantom: I'm just that tricksy, I suppose. Not to mention as grey as paint drying on a wall. __________________ Joined together wrote our names upon the page Seven times alliance our loyalties we gave

01-30-2011, 08:04 PM	#10
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Wow, I guess I didn't realize how few posts Nessa had. I just reread them all. And my basic impression? Cobblerish. Not Wolvish. (x-post Boro) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.