Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[the phantom]

The Voting:

Lommy ++ Wilwa
Green ++ Nog
Agan ++ Nog (2)
Boro ++ Nog (3)

[Glirdan]

Okay, I can't stand to wait any longer and will vote

++Nog

If anyone wants to see why, read post #303 for my reasoning. I really have to go.

[the phantom]

Hoo boy... That set-up sounds so suspicious. We'll see...

*waits for Nog*

[Nessa Telrunya]

Okay, I'm here and have read through the thread. All I have to say is wow, my head is seriously spinning right now. So much has happened that I have no idea where to look.

Legate, I know my vote was really bizarre, but I'll shamefully admit that it was a throwaway vote.

I also see why Greenie would suspect me, but I'm just being honest. After all, ordos have nothing to lose from honesty-we just have to find some wolves.

Aaand, Nog seems to be ruffling everybody feathers, and the whole situation makes me upset. This is more "aggressive" than I've ever seen him in my admittedly small number of games with him, but he doesn't seem to think that of himself. However, the distrust of the other players looks odd. Just plain odd.

And the whole Shasta stuff makes sense to me. I don't know who I'll vote. It won't do any good to toss my vote like yesterDay, since it wouldn't affect the lynch, but I don't want a double-lynch. That leaves bandwagoning.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hm. Believe him and go with my Glirdy vote?

Or think he's a wolf, that any counter reveals would only help his case (and put the 'real' seer in danger), and that he's trying to get the Ranger to switch protections from the Lover to the false-seer so that both Lovers are gone for good?

Grrrr.

I don't know what to think.

[Mithalwen]

Why don't we do the obvious thing ang vote Blind Guardian? Time is short they are apparently about to be modfired. We lose an opportunity to lyncha wolf but we buy a little more time?

[wilwarin538]

So I just skimmed through, sorry I didn't come back when I said I would, I lost track of time and had to rush to work.

I was going to comment on a few random things, but then Nog posted. So I will focus on that.

I am inclined to believe him. This would be a rather crazy bold thing for a Wolf, or even a Cobbler to do, on only Day 2. And I can understand why he felt he had to reveal, what with the Lovers in the position they're in, and people seeming to want to vote for him. Now he'll be safe for toNight, and then he can dream of people as they die, and hopefully the Ranger lasts for a while and can provide us with a bunch of those dreams later on in the game (even if it's just dreams of dead players, that's still super useful, cause it'll be information that we can use to find connections between people).

So I believe him. And now I'm trying to figure out if we should bother killing Phantom? I'm inclined to not at the moment, he can't do much harm, so I would say we don't waste the lynch.

x'ed since Noggins

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ai, ai! You mean to kill me, do you, Nog?

All right, now. My first reaction was "okay, obvious bluff, he's a baddie in totally bad situation, what better can he do?" Now, then, I would've suggested to keep him alive: basically, reason no.1 - what I have said before, he's a Cobbler, right now better alive than dead, where he will just make a mess. Now there comes reason no.2 from the completely opposite perspective - if he really is the Seer, then of course we should keep him alive. However, once again considering all his posts before - with the arguments which I really think were totally off - I would like to lynch him more than ever. Or at least, well, I cannot trust him. And it all comes down to questions of Rangers, Lovers and all this.

Well. It must be said that the points about him behaving "mean" when being a Gifted are relevant. It is true that he acts that way as a Gifted, and I wouldn't put it past phantom to be a Cobbler either, and the dream choices would make sense too, but... really, this time, if I have to bet...

All right, in any case, I am against lynching him, that's enough. Either Seer or Cobbler - in any case, no reason to lynch him just as yet. And, well, let's see what dream he comes up with toMorrow.

For now, back to my old question: whom to vote, and then I should really go to sleep.

EDIT: x-ed since last Fea

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well. It must be said that the points about him behaving "mean" when being a Gifted are relevant. It is true that he acts that way as a Gifted, and I wouldn't put it past phantom to be a Cobbler either, and the dream choices would make sense too, but... really, this time, if I have to bet...

And it's not just the choices, but he's identified phantom as a cobbler, which is I think more telling.

I imagine if wolf-Nog is trying a fake reveal to save himself, he would want to give the name of a wolf, and that way it would be more likely votes go against phantom, if Nog's reveal was believed. However, he says phantom's a cobbler, not exactly the sure-fire way to save himself if he's a wolf making a fake reveal.

[Mithalwen]

Right Nogrod and Fea. I did not try to get a double lynch. If you look at posts 170 and 174 I am torn between voting as I wished and risking a triple tie. I only vote when Manwe is ahead already and I don't have any more time to think with TP on my case to vote Lommy. You can pin a lot on me but that is totally spurious. As have been all the charges against me save that I am strung out which I will freely admit to.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Right Nogrod and Fea. I did not try to get a double lynch.

I could have been remembering wrong. I'll look later to see why I thought that.

[the phantom]

Boro- I think the main reason he identified me as a Cobbler rather than a Wolf was to keep anyone from knowing if he's telling the truth.

On the Dead-Thread we can check for Wolf or non-Wolf, but we can't check a Cobbler. When I die, there will be no Dead-Thread checking me for Cobblery. It can't be done. So there's no evidence to refute him.

Basically, if we lynch him today as we should, upon reaching Mandos he can cry about being wrongly lynched and possibly at some point in the future gain some sway somehow (perhaps out of pity). If he had identified me as a Wolf though- the game would be up as soon as I died, for I would upon arrival in the Dead-Thread immediately ask to have my role viewed.