WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aganzir · 01-10-2011, 02:29 PM

Sorry it took me way too long. Blame Lommy, she was posting pictures on Facebook.

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Originally Posted by Legate

Well, maybe they thought he won't be going, or did not know, or did not care so much for lynching the Cobbler.

I don't think your reasoning is very sound. Boro's being the cobbler isn't a proof that Mac & Rikae are innocent, but it certainly doesn't make their guilt more likely unlike you claimed.

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Originally Posted by Legate

You didn't say you are a Wolf, you said that you are innocent because you wouldn't kill Ozban. And that's what I think, so I said yes, that's one of the main reasons why I am not suspecting you (among several others, of course).

No I didn't. You said you couldn't see good enough a reason for me to kill Oz on night 1, and I answered that the unlikeliness of it would have been a good reason for me to do it. But never mind, I was just wondering for a while if you were trying to drop a hint.

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Originally Posted by wilwa

But I don't remember Boro ever acting that way as an Ordo.

Me neither, but I seem to remember him being exactly like that as the cobbler. Making long posts that basically say nothing.

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Originally Posted by wilwa

We can't totally assume the Wolves know their Cobbler (and hope that they don't).

True but it's safer to assume they know her.

I'm torn about wilwa. She looks pretty innocent and arguments in an innocent way, but that doesn't mean she's innocent. I think she's one of those people who just have an innocent mindset whatever her role... Last time I played she was my cobbler, and we considered killing her almost every night because she just looked so darn innocent (fortunately we didn't).

I'm more concerned about skip again. He just feels way way off.

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Originally Posted by Nessa

After the Night kills, Legate sounds astoundingly like a gloating wolf.

Why would a wolf gloat when they still haven't got a gifted?

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Originally Posted by Legate

because what you said could have been a hint to a cobbler for all I know.

A wolf doesn't need to hint to the cobbler at this point, especially if the wolf is Rikae (or someone else who can prioritize things correctly).

Shasta's analysis of Mänwe looks reasonable but it's also very easy to cast suspicion on a quiet player.

I know I'm flip-flopping (and will probably continue to do so till she's dead) but I feel considerably better about Rikae now that people are questioning her activities.

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Originally Posted by skip

You accuse the people who went with the Inzil/Nessa trail, regardless of who they accuse (gives them negative points) and credit those who stayed away from it, that's the point.

I see the logic in that even though it's likely not all the wolves took part in it. If Nessa is innocent (and I'm inclined to think so at the moment, at least enough to not vote for her today) it would be very convenient for the wolves to get the two of them lynched, therefore at least a couple of them were probably pushing it.

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Originally Posted by skip

Because if you vote for the cobbler and not an ordo, there is no vindictive innocent to deal with the next Day?

Mac had been suspected so little that being part of a bandwagon against an innocent would hardly have got him lynched yet.

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Originally Posted by Pitch

Like Eomer said yesterDay, chances are high they've already dreamed her (I certainly would have if it was me), and if they haven't, I think they should.

I can't believe I'm getting into this discussion (it's entirely different to suggest the seer come out than tell her who to dream of) but I wouldn't bother to dream of Nessa right now - basically everyone has talked about her, while there are still a lot of submarines.

I wouldn't vote for Boro today just because I find it more likely he's the cobbler.

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Originally Posted by Mänwe

I asked it to draw attention to the fact that a suspicious character might lie in these quiet players

To be fair I think we all know that already, but now it's a too late to lynch the quiet just to be on the safe side. It would be very convenient for a wolf to try to make us do exactly that, though.

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Originally Posted by Mänwe

Because that day I didn't consider him a wolf.

And have things changed?

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Originally Posted by Mänwe

At the point I voted, in my mind it seemed clear that Inzil would be the one to go, regardless I would not have voted for him as I said to Legate, I held no suspicion over him.

How did you know that? It was pretty even between Nessa and him till the end.

I really don't like skip's Greenie analysis - I'm not convinced of Greenie's innocence either, but it looks nastily opportunistic even though he says he won't vote for her today.

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Originally Posted by Rikae

I should'a got a PM from the mod
I should'a learned to make them shoes
look at these baddies, decimating villagers, man
wish I could be one.

Seconded. Rikae when will we be wolves together?

I feel like voting Pitch or skip today. Not Boro (if we kill a wolf today, we can lynch him tomorrow). I could imagine myself going for Cailín, Shasta, ed and Mänwe... but rather one of the first two.

Mänwe · 01-10-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

To be fair I think we all know that already, but now it's a too late to lynch the quiet just to be on the safe side. It would be very convenient for a wolf to try to make us do exactly that, though.

Yes, but no seemed to pay much attention to them vote wise on the first day when I made that post (my first post).

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

And have things changed?

No

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

How did you know that? It was pretty even between Nessa and him till the end.

It was 5 votes to 2 against Inzil when I voted, prior comments led me to believe people were on the Inzilwagon.

Macalaure · 01-10-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasta

To be honest, this attitude is starting to irritate me. If you happen to be suspected by Mac, you can't do anything without being suspicious, apparently. And apparently analyzing someone whom no one else has even bothered to consider is suspicious. Shoot me now.

Sometimes, yes, but only once I really made up my mind, which is not wholly the case with you. I mean, I did say that I might be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Pitch

I know exactly what you mean.

Pardon? I mentioned plenty of things that were innocent-looking about you. Being more or less consistent in one's suspicions is suspicious nowadays?

No Cailín, alright. Preference now (in order): Skip, Pitch, Shasta.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-10-2011, 03:32 PM

I will most probably vote Shasta. At least given how people seem to be inclined to vote. El ron hubbard would be a remote possibility, Mac in some very distant brackets, only if I had to choose. But no, I'd prefer Shasta.

Aganzir · 01-10-2011, 03:34 PM

Now I'm having second thoughts about Legate too. I've kind of forgotten about ed in lack of material (this is why I think submarines should be lynched first) but if she's innocent, she's a very easy lynch.

Hmm.

Argh.

Aganzir · 01-10-2011, 03:36 PM

If skip is a wolf, would he push for Nessa's lynch when the consensus seems to be the wolves are just trying to frame her?

skip spence · 01-10-2011, 03:36 PM

So Mac, you said you'd spell out why you find me so suspicious.

Why don't you?
(second time I ask now)

Shastanis Althreduin · 01-10-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I will most probably vote Shasta. At least given how people seem to be inclined to vote. El ron hubbard would be a remote possibility, Mac in some very distant brackets, only if I had to choose. But no, I'd prefer Shasta.

That's a shame. I don't feel like voting you at all.

Shastanis Althreduin · 01-10-2011, 03:38 PM

Also, Pitch - "more and more creepy"? You need to explain yourself, considering that the last time you mentioned me you were agreeing with me about Mac.

Aganzir · 01-10-2011, 03:42 PM

Okay we need to get started because there are at least two wolves, probably more, who haven't voted yet.

++Pitchwife

In the end I think skip looks a bit better. Even though he looks wolfy, he seems to be relaxed in an "I don't have to worry about my fellows" sort of way, while Pitch has been more tense.

wilwa - ed
Nessa - Legate
Agan - Pitch

Left: ed, Mac, Shasta, Pitch, Rikae, Boro, Green, skip, Mänwe, Legate, Cailín?

I haven't used my retraction and will do so if things seem to go badly, but I'd rather not because it might be needed more tomorrow.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-10-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

That's a shame. I don't feel like voting you at all.

Well, I know. But I think you are a Wolf. If not, we can talk about it post-game and I can apologise to you, there probably is not much more.

Shastanis Althreduin · 01-10-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, I know. But I think you are a Wolf.

Why?

elronds_daughter · 01-10-2011, 03:45 PM

Quick summary of feelings:

My opinion on Pitch has not changed, and I may vote him today.

Opinion on Mac hasn't changed either.

I think Shasta's okay, despite all the suspicion.

Nessa is worrisome.

So is skip. I think if I don't vote Pitch, I'll vote skip.

Not sure about pretty much everyone else. Including Boro. Though I can see where everyone's coming from with finding him a bit off.

skip spence · 01-11-2011, 04:49 PM

There's also this:

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Originally Posted by Legate

I will most probably vote Shasta. At least given how people seem to be inclined to vote. El ron hubbard would be a remote possibility, Mac in some very distant brackets, only if I had to choose. But no, I'd prefer Shasta.

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

That's a shame. I don't feel like voting you at all.

Legate is in the clear, I don't think there's any doubt about that.

Rikae · 01-10-2011, 03:38 PM

Legate, you were wondering in such a way that it seemed you wanted me to be suspected.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-10-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Legate, you were wondering in such a way that it seemed you wanted me to be suspected.

No, I was asking, but the problem with you is that you never answer. If you said "I am just singing out my frustration", as I have even asked if you do, it would've been okay with me. But if you drop some mysterious sentence or song or something (a song where you put yourself as the singer into the perspective of a Cobbler, obviously) and then just leave it be, it just makes me wonder if there is not something going on which I have not noticed.

EDIT: I keep x-ing since my last all the time now.

Aganzir · 01-10-2011, 03:45 PM

Legate: lobster.

Pitchwife · 01-10-2011, 03:45 PM

LRon Hubbard? No, I don't think so (although I suspected her early), she sounds genuine to me. Of course, if she's a wolf she doesn't really deserve to win and all that, but let's worry about that toMorrow or after that.

Shasta, if you've read the second part of that post, I don't think I need to explain myself toDay. But if it's any consolation, the sudden unisono against you is no less creepy.

A Little Green · 01-10-2011, 03:37 PM

Mac is either innocent or seriously creepy. Wait, no news? Ah well.

I'll probably vote for Skip or Pitch toDay. Shasta is a possibility as well but I don't want to vote for him until I've had a closer look - which I don't have time for anymore. Rikae is creepy but I'm leaning innocent on her at the moment anyway.

I definitely don't want to vote for Cailín (though she is a very possible wolf in my opinion), Agan, Boro (hats off if he's a wolf), Nessa (even though I'm kind of suspecting her again) or Legate. I have no idea about Manwe or Elra, might be wolves but I'd prefer something more solid toDay since we really need to get it right this time.

EDIT: x-ed since Elra

A Little Green · 01-10-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Agan

If skip is a wolf, would he push for Nessa's lynch when the consensus seems to be the wolves are just trying to frame her?

I can't see why not. Quite a few people seem to have doubts about Nessa - and even if Nessa doesn't actually end up lynched, or even if she does, I can't see any particular harm for a Skipwolf in doing that. As in, you yourself seem to find him more innocent because of that.

EDIT: x-ed with Shasta and Agan. My lions! <3

Aganzir · 01-10-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

I can't see why not. Quite a few people seem to have doubts about Nessa - and even if Nessa doesn't actually end up lynched, or even if she does, I can't see any particular harm for a Skipwolf in doing that. As in, you yourself seem to find him more innocent because of that.

Not exactly, it doesn't really sway me either way. I'm just wondering.

A Little Green · 01-10-2011, 03:45 PM

Pitch? I began having second thoughts the moment I saw Agan's vote - but if she had voted Skip I would probably have felt the same. This is proving fatal to my nerves.

EDIT: x-ed since my last

Aganzir · 01-10-2011, 03:46 PM

I have a feeling this is going to end badly regardless of how we vote...

edit: xed with Greenie. Oh really? I think I know what you mean.

01-10-2011, 03:32 PM	#4
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	I will most probably vote Shasta. At least given how people seem to be inclined to vote. El ron hubbard would be a remote possibility, Mac in some very distant brackets, only if I had to choose. But no, I'd prefer Shasta. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-10-2011, 03:34 PM	#5
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Now I'm having second thoughts about Legate too. I've kind of forgotten about ed in lack of material (this is why I think submarines should be lynched first) but if she's innocent, she's a very easy lynch. Hmm. Argh. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

01-10-2011, 03:36 PM	#6
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	If skip is a wolf, would he push for Nessa's lynch when the consensus seems to be the wolves are just trying to frame her? __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle. Last edited by Aganzir; 01-10-2011 at 03:37 PM. Reason: xed with skip

01-10-2011, 03:36 PM	#7
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	So Mac, you said you'd spell out why you find me so suspicious. Why don't you? (second time I ask now) __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

01-10-2011, 03:38 PM	#9
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Also, Pitch - "more and more creepy"? You need to explain yourself, considering that the last time you mentioned me you were agreeing with me about Mac. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV Last edited by Shastanis Althreduin; 01-10-2011 at 03:38 PM. Reason: X'ed with Greenie and Rikae

01-10-2011, 03:42 PM	#10
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Okay we need to get started because there are at least two wolves, probably more, who haven't voted yet. ++Pitchwife In the end I think skip looks a bit better. Even though he looks wolfy, he seems to be relaxed in an "I don't have to worry about my fellows" sort of way, while Pitch has been more tense. wilwa - ed Nessa - Legate Agan - Pitch Left: ed, Mac, Shasta, Pitch, Rikae, Boro, Green, skip, Mänwe, Legate, Cailín? I haven't used my retraction and will do so if things seem to go badly, but I'd rather not because it might be needed more tomorrow. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle. Last edited by Aganzir; 01-10-2011 at 03:42 PM. Reason: xed since Greenie

01-10-2011, 03:45 PM	#13
elronds_daughter Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the fortune cookie and the post-its. Posts: 644	Quick summary of feelings: My opinion on Pitch has not changed, and I may vote him today. Opinion on Mac hasn't changed either. I think Shasta's okay, despite all the suspicion. Nessa is worrisome. So is skip. I think if I don't vote Pitch, I'll vote skip. Not sure about pretty much everyone else. Including Boro. Though I can see where everyone's coming from with finding him a bit off. __________________ I'd like to be the king of all Londinium and wear a shiny hat.

01-10-2011, 03:38 PM	#15
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Legate, you were wondering in such a way that it seemed you wanted me to be suspected.

01-10-2011, 03:45 PM	#17
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Legate: lobster. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

01-10-2011, 03:45 PM	#18
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	LRon Hubbard? No, I don't think so (although I suspected her early), she sounds genuine to me. Of course, if she's a wolf she doesn't really deserve to win and all that, but let's worry about that toMorrow or after that. Shasta, if you've read the second part of that post, I don't think I need to explain myself toDay. But if it's any consolation, the sudden unisono against you is no less creepy. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

01-10-2011, 03:37 PM	#19
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	Mac is either innocent or seriously creepy. Wait, no news? Ah well. I'll probably vote for Skip or Pitch toDay. Shasta is a possibility as well but I don't want to vote for him until I've had a closer look - which I don't have time for anymore. Rikae is creepy but I'm leaning innocent on her at the moment anyway. I definitely don't want to vote for Cailín (though she is a very possible wolf in my opinion), Agan, Boro (hats off if he's a wolf), Nessa (even though I'm kind of suspecting her again) or Legate. I have no idea about Manwe or Elra, might be wolves but I'd prefer something more solid toDay since we really need to get it right this time. EDIT: x-ed since Elra __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

01-10-2011, 03:46 PM	#23
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	I have a feeling this is going to end badly regardless of how we vote... edit: xed with Greenie. Oh really? I think I know what you mean. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.