Riddles in the Downs

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Ironfoot

That sounds too much like Turin and Tuor, but by some miraculous fate I'm probably wrong.

However, you are correct! This is the second time I posted a riddle, and the second time it has been solved in less than a day.
Do you care to explain the lines, or should I?

[Ironfoot]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

However, you are correct! This is the second time I posted a riddle, and the second time it has been solved in less than a day.
Do you care to explain the lines, or should I?

Well, that's what happens after being unable to guess your other riddle in that other thread. The lines describe Turin, being the eldest cousin and Tuor the younger, upon the Pool of Ivrin where Tuor witnessed his cousins madness. Sadly, Turin did not even notice him...and as everyone knows, Turin asked Gurthang to slay him and he did, but Tuor's path was unknown at that time and nether did he know the great heights he would achieve.

Now I have to make a riddle! Have done haiku's but not riddles before...let's try this one. Hopefully wont be terribly difficult, or terrible in writing for that matter.

Older brother of my greater kin
but not diminished in legacy
I lie sleeping with the shadows
but not diminished in potency

The corrupted have defiled me
and my masters weep in their hearts
I had hoped my brother fared better
with our master's eternal art

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Ironfoot

The lines describe Turin, being the eldest cousin and Tuor the younger, upon the Pool of Ivrin where Tuor witnessed his cousins madness. Sadly, Turin did not even notice him...and as everyone knows, Turin asked Gurthang to slay him and he did, but Tuor's path was unknown at that time and nether did he know the great heights he would achieve.

When I made the riddle, I thought that it's so weird that Turin and Tuor are first cousins though their fathers Hurin and Huor, and second cousins through Morwen and Rian, so that's what the first line is about. You got the other clues right - they met near Ivrin but didn't recognize each other, Turin threw himself onto Gurthang, and Tuor sailed to Valinor.

As for your riddle, it makes me think of Manwe and Morgoth, but I have the feeling that's not the answer.

[Ironfoot]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

When I made the riddle, I thought that it's so weird that Turin and Tuor are first cousins though their fathers Hurin and Huor, and second cousins through Morwen and Rian, so that's what the first line is about. You got the other clues right - they met near Ivrin but didn't recognize each other, Turin threw himself onto Gurthang, and Tuor sailed to Valinor.

As for your riddle, it makes me think of Manwe and Morgoth, but I have the feeling that's not the answer.

Your feelings are right! It's not the answer.

[Galadriel55]

Somehow the riddle akes e think it's soe object that had an earlier "draft" or "prototype". Like the Rings of Power - the Dwarf's and Men's Rings were "practice work" for the Elvish ones, as well as the Ruling Ring (hence elder brother of my greater kin). "Sleeping with the shadows" could then mean that the nine Rings given to Men enslaved the Nazgul, who kept quiet until their time came. The second stanza crushed the whole guess though. The corrupted who defiled would be Sauron, but then what? The Men's Rings are upset that the Ruling Ring rules them and does evil?

[Ironfoot]

You're getting warmer with Sauron, that is the right direction. He has something to do with it, albeit indirectly. The rings are cold, very cold. I will admit the way I worded this is a bit tricky, so I may add another stanza down the road if people need it.

[Galadriel55]

Another shot in the dark - Arnor? "Older brother" of Gondor that outlasted it, thus becoming greater. The ruins of Arnorian cities are filled with shadows, and I guess you could say that the people - ie rangers - are like shadows. The Witch-King (who was corrupted by Sauron) destroyed Arnor, and "weeping masters" would be the Chieftains grieving for the loss. The "eternal art" could be a lot of things with a stretch ... It might be that it's the Reunited Kingdom that is eternal because it outlasted and will yet outlast many a thing, and "master" would be Elendil...