WW: LXXXV - The Lost Philosophers of Maiar

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Ozzy

I'd love to hear more from Sally. Way it is, i might as well vote for her, she's keeping low profile, not helping at all... Than that question of informations Rikae supposedly had.

Agree it's most unlike Sally to be so quiet, but didn't she give advance warning that she wouldn't get to post a lot? I think I remember something like that from the Admin thread.
The question about Rikae's knowledge was raised by Nessa, however (#55). And yes, that was at best careless, if by an innocent.

I had overlooked wilwa's post when writing my last, and even forgotten she was playing. It's remarkable how she makes a big show of opposing the 'Pitchwagon', but only a few posts later carefully joins and feeds the growing suspicion against Lottie raised by Legate earlier, while at the same time agreeing with my questioning of one of Legate's points against Lottie, so it doesn't look like she's just latching on to him wholesale, if you get my meaning.
I feel a bit puzzled by Lottie's quietness myself, but truth to be told, I think I've seen her at a loss for early suspicions before when innocent, and her reaction at #78 feels rather innocent-Lottie'ish to me.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Pitch

It's remarkable how she makes a big show of opposing the 'Pitchwagon', but only a few posts later carefully joins and feeds the growing suspicion against Lottie raised by Legate earlier, while at the same time agreeing with my questioning of one of Legate's points against Lottie, so it doesn't look like she's just latching on to him wholesale, if you get my meaning.

I asked for Legate to clarify, that doesn't mean I suspect him (I don't, I feel quite good about him). I also didn't say I suspect Lottie (though I'm not saying I trust her), just that the one post Legate pointed out is odd looking, I would need to look at her way more closely before I'd suspect her. And the difference between the Lottie wagon, and the one for you, is that you don't really look suspicious, you're acting like yourself, people are only considering you because they think everyone else suspects you (which really not many do). While Lottie actually seems to have some legitimate points against her.

I find it interesting that so far 2 people distrust me mainly for agreeing with them.

[wilwarin538]

Just got a call from the Boss, I don't have to work tonight so I can stay til DL. So since I now don't have to leave early, I'm going to take a break from the computer. I'll be back in about an hour.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Valier

I must say Lommy and Greenie seem a little uncharacteristicly quiet to me....

Yep, especially Lommy - what, first post and then nothing more for close to 30 hours or something, from a player renowned for her verbosity? What's the matter with her?
Greenie has posted a little more at least - mostly joining Mac in seeing cobbler hints in Agan's each and every post; which is entirely possible. I mean, Agan is daring enough to sort of hide in the open, and I remember an Agan-cobbler who talked about the cobbler all the time; but since our primary aim is not to lynch the cobbler but the wolves, I'm disinclined to vote her for the time being. It's when she starts other people of being the cobbler that I'll get worried about her.
I mean, really, early in the Day there sort of was a consensus that we've got to get a wolf ASAP in order to cut down the double Night-kills, but now some people have nothing better to do than looking for the cobbler? I'm looking at you, Mac.
Back to Greenie, her comment on the issue of Rikae vs me is very to-and-fro, with all that unless this, and unless that. Maybe genuine confusion, but I remember where giving her the benefit of doubt on this got me last time, so I'll be wary of her.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Is this because you're at work?

As a matter of fact, I was at home when I wrote that, but on call, which means no alcohol. That said, I think Guinness could potentially be very beneficial to my work productivity.

Speaking of which, I'm trying to eat something now, and have things to do for the next two hours, so further from me toDay is looking doubtful.

I'm unsure enough about Pitch that I'll let that particular wagon pass me by just now.

Nessa seems off; the "oddsmaking" post just looks like trying to seem helpful. That sort of thing would be understandable in the Endgame, but really, why do that on Day 1, except to say something for the sake of not being a submarine?

So....

++Nessa

Thin, I know, but I'm afraid that's all you'll get toDay.

Later, compadres.

[Kath]

Well and that's the dilemma isn't it?

Is it a bandwagon against an innocent Pitch pushed by evil doers ... or is it that an evil Pitch is struggling and has been caught out.

If the latter it IS a bandwagon but not necessarily a bad one.

BUT - it's Day 1. Very rarely do we get that lucky and get a wolf based on a slip. And either way a bandwagon is never a brilliant thing because it provides less to work from when looking at how people have voted.

So, whether Pitch is evil or not, it would be good to get the votes spread out. At the moment it looks like half the village will go for Pitch, and half the village will go for someone who suspects Pitch ... well at least it will be spread out.

Anyway, a slow review of what's been happening will appear soon enough. Though I'm working on a little computer so it'll be slower than usual.

Oh and to answer Rikae: I didn't realise we only had one retractable all game, I thought it was each Day.

[Kath]

Wow, there are a LOT of people in this game. Well, I'm going to give a free pass to anyone I haven't played with before (or don't recall playing with - please don't get mad if I've forgotten. Boro will back me up on my awful memory) because it would be nice to actually see them play! So that is: elronds-daughter, Nessa and Ozban. Also obviously not Manwe as we know he's not around. And not Blind Guardian 'cause she always gets lynched. Also Cailin as we know she can't be here much toDay.

Which leaves many still, most of whom I have no idea about. So, here we are:

Leaning guilty:
Inzil - faintly shoddy reasoning against Pitch compared to everyone else and he came to it late.
Legate - well I don't get the Lottie thing. If this was further explained this suspicion may abate.
wilwa - well, she was very defensive.

Other:
Eomer
Mac
Shasta
Lottie
Kitanna
Pitch
sally
Rikae
Boro
Greenie
skip
Valier
Lommy
Agan

Will post this, catch up on the votes and then vote myself. (As in, I'll vote, not pull a Nilp.)

[Pitchwife]

Wow, Sally is back in her familiar splendour. That's nice, although I disagree with practically everything she says.
For clarification:

Originally Posted by Sally

Pitch is very quick to specifically say not to kill BG

This is because I remember a game where she was lynched for sheer newbishness (much like the kind in her post about Ozzy) on D1 and had a nervous breakdown subsequently. I don't want to see that repeated toDay; later in the game is a different matter. Besides, didn't you agree with me a few lines further up?

Originally Posted by Sally

Kit is bizarre and (un)reasonable. Her predictions are very interesting.

What's bizarre and unreasonable about her? Didn't she say the same things about me which you're now reiterating in oh so many words?

Originally Posted by Sally

Aaaaand the most damaging point against Skip is brought up first in Mac’s #35. If the seer only suspects wolves (or, for that matter, only vindicates innocents), they become an instant target for the wolves. I wanted to save my thoughts until I was commenting on Mac’s post, because this is a good catch for Mac (which is to say that he made a good catch, not that he’s normally incapable of such a discovery).

Sorry, that's not that damaging at all, and I think you're putting words in his mouth here; especially as skip later explained himself by referring to Lommy's last game.

No time to comment on the rest of this epic post, I'll have to come back to it in a quieter hour.

[Valier]

not quite sure I like Inzil's vote for Nessa....because there is always at least one person who has to do the math. Seems an easy wolfish vote maybe?.... Yay Lommy's here!!! It's been a long time since we have played together, so I wont be voting for you....yet I am very unsure about my vote today....I'm leaning towards Rikae or Inzil at the moment, but you never can tell wang..

[wilwarin538]

Boro, I think I'm just tired of seeing the same conversations every Day 1. If something new had been brought up fine, but that wasn't the case, it was the same old stuff about roles we're all familiar with. Yeah, I get that we need to start discussion somewhere (and no I can't think of really anything else to talk about at the beginning), but I felt it was continuing for a bit too long, when there was now actual people to talk about. And honestly, telling the Seer to not be too obvious with their hints, and to make sure to reveal if they have important information, is insulting their intelligence, and stating that we should keep an eye out for Cobbler hints is sort of obvious, and doesn't warrant so much talk.

But moving on...

Originally Posted by Sally

Okay, first of all, why am I the spirit of muffins?!?! I demand an explanation!!!!!!!! >.<

Because they are awesome, and everyone should want to be the spirit of muffins. Oh, and I'm happy you have the chance to participate, but I forgot how crazy long your posts are, my ADD doesn't like you right now . *sigh* But I'll read it anyway...

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Boro, I think I'm just tired of seeing the same conversations every Day 1. If something new had been brought up fine, but that wasn't the case, it was the same old stuff about roles we're all familiar with. Yeah, I get that we need to start discussion somewhere (and no I can't think of really anything else to talk about at the beginning), but I felt it was continuing for a bit too long, when there was now actual people to talk about. And honestly, telling the Seer to not be too obvious with their hints, and to make sure to reveal if they have important information, is insulting their intelligence, and stating that we should keep an eye out for Cobbler hints is sort of obvious, and doesn't warrant so much talk.

But moving on...

Fairy nuff. I can see the annoyance of going through the motions and doing the same old. And with this being pretty basic, I can see how there shouldn't be much to discuss about the seer and other gifteds. I get to wondering why if someone says "seer," we get reactions like the person just shouted "fire" in a theater.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I get to wondering why if someone says "seer," we get reactions like the person just shouted "fire" in a theater.

Hehe, speaking of which, I thought I wanted to share the following story: recently, I accidentally distracted myself and the other players in a tabletop RPG because I twice heard "seer woman pale as snow" instead of "see a woman pale as snow" and thus wrote down an ancient riddle incorrectly. (After the game my friend who was the game master and who is not a 'downer told me I have played too much ww and she almost cracked up when I quoted the riddle to the other players. )

edit: xed with Shasta and Pitch

[Pitchwife]

Time to think about a vote.
I'm not going to vote for Cailín and Valier in their first game in ages, and Manwe for the same reason plus per Nogmod's decree. Not for BG for reasons specified above. Not for Boro and skip because I like them, and not for Agan, Kit, Legate, Ozzy, Rikae, Zil and Shasta because I'd like to see more of them. Not for Lottie because that would be the easy way out.
Sally I don't yet know what to think of.
I'm feeling squeamish about wilwa (but her response to me has eased my stomach a bit) and Greenie.
I might vote Mac for his cobbler-hunting, which I feel is a counterproductive distraction at this point. Or alternatively one of the quieter ones, preferably either L.Ron's daughter (whose single post was basically agreeing with a lot of people and latching on to the Pitch-suspicion) or Nessa, who hasn't been very productive either and also has that "Rikae-knows-something-we-don't" thing against her.
And I've no idea about anybody else (which is an awful lot of people).

EDIT: x-ed from #102 down.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Lottie

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

++Lottie

*ping*
And here comes the alternative bandwagon, right?

[wilwarin538]

So I don't like Cupcake's massive post. The main reason for this will not be stated, for hopefully obvious reasons.

Other reasons:

Kit is bizarre and (un)reasonable

Why? Quotes would be helpful.

Aaaaand the most damaging point against Skip is brought up first in Mac’s #35. If the seer only suspects wolves (or, for that matter, only vindicates innocents), they become an instant target for the wolves.

I think you're mis-representing him. That isn't what he said, he wants the Seer to not focus strongly on one person, unless they have dreamt them. I think this one has already been pointed out, but in the past we lynched an innocent because the Seer had focused on them in such a way that it looked like they had dreamt them guilty (when they obviously hadn't).

The fact that this post doesn't include quotes or post numbers makes it really hard to figure out what Sally was looking at when she came to these various conclusions. And then there's that thing she said that I strongly dislike.

x'ed since Lommy's list

[satansaloser2005]

Kit is bizarre because she is. I didn't say it was a bad thing, after all. Just strange.


And I reference post numbers, but alas can't make with the linky when I'm typing in Word and have no net to do stuff with, sorry. Posts are responded to in chronological order however.


I have to go. I'll be late getting back to work. >.<

[Ozban]

Sally I wanted to "read some more from you"...
But THIS???
This is gonna take some time.

[Valier]

just had to say...I really dislike it when people tell the Seer what to do or well hint at what to do...Most of us have played this game enough that if we were the seer we would know what to do and know when the appropriate time to reveal ourself is. Also the seer should know not to point too directly at anyone unless they did dream of a wolf annnnd if they are in fear of getting lynched. enough said on the seer point please!!

[Valier]

thanks wilwa you pretty much said what I was thinking and tried to say...You look ok in my books...so far.

[Nogrod]

As I see two people have of late entertained the idea of voting Manwë let me re-state what I said in the admin thread yesterday:

Originally Posted by the Mod

I realised Manwë said this already before Christmas:

So a modfire will not threathen him unless he is away from the game two Days in a row after January the 5th. Also, he will be mod-protected against any attempt to his life up to the 5th as he has notified us about his time-table problems early enough.

That I think is only fair as he notified us of his situation like three weeks ago.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As I see two people have of late entertained the idea of voting Manwë let me re-state what I said in the admin thread yesterday: That I think is only fair as he notified us of his situation like three weeks ago.

Duly noted Sire Nogmod and something I completely missed. I think I should also tell you before Day 1 started, when I got up in the morning I checked the time stamp and thought Day had already been going on for over 2 hours but there were no posts. I honestly started writing a post reeming everyone out as to how there could not be any posts yet. But thinking with how many people are here, I surely could not have been the first one to post with it already being 2+ hours into the Day. Then double-checked and saw the "Night 1," not "Day 1." and then felt really really silly.

With your Bororadar being brokey Lommy, I had to admit to being in a most unusual mood and manner of posting, last time. I wouldn't say your radar was broken, it was more me being brokey. Without having the time to play in the way I like to play, I saw your reaction to my Day 1 vote of you as a big time over-reaction and thought you felt threatened. I can't make anything clear out of Lommy's spurt of posting, but I do prefer this WWing Lommy much better than distracted Lommy.

Not sure about a vote here...Eomer and Greenie, I typically take notice of early on, but they've been very low key so far. They usually aren't the chatty posters, but still get involved and in the action early on. Same can be said about Inzil who I realized has as many posts as me, but the only thing I can recall about him is the dream and eating his pillow...

++Inzil

[Nogrod]

40 minutes before the deadline, the votes are...

Cailín -> Aganzir
Kitanna -> Pitchie
Legate -> Lottie
Rikae -> wilwa
Zil -> Nessa
Shasta -> Lottie2
Boro -> Zil


EDIT: Heh, what a nice coincidence...