Werewolf LXXXIII: The Nightmare on the East Road

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

That doesn't make any sense. Given EW's obvious (in hindsight) pattern of dream-telegraphing (I mean, everyone so far has basically agreed that he dreamt Volo Night 2), there's no reason for him not to have dreamt you Night 3.

My dear Shasta: it makes perfect sense, and the reason for not dreaming about me is that there are almost a dozen people he can dream of. I know it's tempting to see patterns, but first: one example (that of Volo) does not a pattern make; and second: patterns can change anytime anyway.

You could shoehorn your theory in there, but that would ignore the fact that the Seer screamed your guilt from the rooftop.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

My dear Shasta: it makes perfect sense, and the reason for not dreaming about me is that there are almost a dozen people he can dream of. I know it's tempting to see patterns, but first: one example (that of Volo) does not a pattern make; and second: patterns can change anytime anyway.

You could shoehorn your theory in there, but that would ignore the fact that the Seer screamed your guilt from the rooftop.

I believe you're the one shoehorning. Or do you expect us to believe that he voted you just for kicks and giggles?

[Nerwen]

I believe you're the one shoehorning. Or do you expect us to believe that he voted you just for kicks and giggles?

He went out of his way to make it clear that he did not know Eomer's role:

Originally Posted by EW

Eomer's behavior strikes me as cobblerish, or he could be a wolf or a wight. Or he could be innocent. I don't know, but I'd bet he's bad.

In your case, my jewel, not so much:

Originally Posted by EW

++Shasta

I think he tried to frame Nogrod as the BW. Shasta, I hope you're pleased at what you and your buddies accomplished last night.

This statement sticks in my craw,
That is not what Lottie had been advocating and I think you know it. One way or another, you're goin' down boy.

One last thing, I'm a he. This is the Elf-warrior, signing off. Death to lycanthropes!!

Rather a startling change of tone.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And another thing. He didn't, actually. According to what EW said in his post, he voted me for the following two reasons -

1. "I think he tried to frame Nog as the BW"

and

2. "This statement sticks in my craw" (re: my statement about Lottie which was quite obviously banter).

Both contrived, since reason 1 was discussed yesterDay and the question raised was "why would a Shastawolf go to all that trouble to frame Nog just to kill him?"

Someone's twisting words, and it's not me.

I quite agree. But, my dearest, when THE SEER has to come up with contrived reasons for voting someone, it tends to mean that his real reason is something else. SO that's not exactly a point in your favour.

[Nerwen]

I bloody well hope Shasta's a wolf, anyway, because I don't see how we can't lynch him now.

[Loslote]

If I had to guess, I'd go with the
1. Me
2. Volo
3. Shasta

...but I don't know why he'd dream me. *shrugs*

Sorry, Shasta, but there's really no other conclusion I can come to. His vote for Eomer does not look like a Seer dream. His vote for you, did. He even said explicitly that you were a wolf:

I hope you're pleased at what you and your buddies accomplished last night.

And he gave his reason for dreaming you. You said something that jumped out to him. If we go with the theory that he'd dreamt of me, then you mentioning his known innocent would have drawn his eye, and it "stuck in his craw". It doesn't get much clearer than this.

++Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Loslote

If I had to guess, I'd go with the
1. Me
2. Volo
3. Shasta

...but I don't know why he'd dream me. *shrugs*

Sorry, Shasta, but there's really no other conclusion I can come to. His vote for Eomer does not look like a Seer dream. His vote for you, did. He even said explicitly that you were a wolf:



And he gave his reason for dreaming you. You said something that jumped out to him. If we go with the theory that he'd dreamt of me, then you mentioning his known innocent would have drawn his eye, and it "stuck in his craw". It doesn't get much clearer than this.

++Shasta

Precisely. He voted Eomer before dreaming him - I really don't see any other reason for completely dropping him the next day (other than that I'm a wolf, but I happen to know I'm not, so...) And 'accusations' have been made in that manner before and haven't been true, so latching onto this one makes no sense.

[satansaloser2005]

++Agan

I don't plan on voting any differently until she's dead, so why wait?


Besides, I'm going to get sick of all this Shasta discussion fairly quickly. If we're going to lynch him, let's lynch him, but stop dwelling on it. If he's a wolf, he's not the only wolf, and if he's not a wolf, then there are other wolves to catch. (If he's the BW, of course, we need to kill him, but if we use that EW quote as evidence then Shasta being the BW is highly unlikely.)

Dinner time. Back soon. Behave while I'm gone, k?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Um, no, the pattern is that EW voted people before dreaming them, as I've said... thrice, now. I still see no plausible reason for his Eomer-vote except for the one I've brought up myself - in fact, no one's even bothering to think about it.

So you think he voted people just to show who he dreamed? I think it's more likely that he voted the people he suspected. Eomer was so universally suspected, he wasn't really worth the dream. You weren't even close to being universally suspected. Even if he suspected you already, you weren't going to be lynched. Eomer might have been, which makes Eomer the better choice to vote and you the better choice to dream.

EDIT: xed with Sally and Shasta

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Um, no, the pattern is that EW voted people before dreaming them, as I've said... thrice, now.

Twice that the rest of us know of– and I don't know why a Seer would feel the need to follow such a strict modus operandi on a relatively minor point, yet break the golden rule of "never directly accuse someone you haven't dreamed".

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And 'accusations' have been made in that manner before and haven't been true, so latching onto this one makes no sense.

You're the Seer, you haven't dreamed any villains– how do you vote? In a non-committal way, preferably hinting that you don't actually know anything: "Well, I'll have to go with A", "B is certainly acting funny, though I could be wrong".

You're the Seer, you've dreamed a wolf– how do you vote? Well, unless you're revealing, you don't actually say, "I dreamed C and he's a wolf"– but you come as close to it as you dare. "Shasta, I hope you're pleased at what you and your buddies accomplished last night" is about as explicit as it gets, particularly when followed by "you're going down, boy," and "death to lycanthropes".

Of course, it is true that EW is inexperienced, and might not have taken into consideration how things would look after he died. All I can say, my flawless diamond, is that in that case we're going to need to add a "Tips for Newbie Seers" section to the Guidelines thread.

EDIT:X'd since Shasta at #372.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

He went out of his way to make it clear that he did not know Eomer's role:


In your case, my jewel, not so much:


Rather a startling change of tone.



I quite agree. But, my dearest, when THE SEER has to come up with contrived reasons for voting someone, it tends to mean that his real reason is something else. SO that's not exactly a point in your favour.

Except, darling one, EW also came up with contrived reasons for voting both Volo and Eomer (especially in Volo's case) and I think we're all in agreement that he voted Volo and then dreamt him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

He went out of his way to make it clear that he did not know Eomer's role:

The quote you refer to, shining sapphire, was made before (I believe) EW dreamt Eomer, which points to a clear pattern.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The quote you refer to, shining sapphire, was made before (I believe) EW dreamt Eomer, which points to a clear pattern.

The "pattern", was that TEW voted two people without saying they were definitely evil (and one of them was later revealed to be innocent). That pattern was broken with you.

x/d with Lottie

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

The "pattern", was that TEW voted two people without saying they were definitely evil (and one of them was later revealed to be innocent). That pattern was broken with you.

x/d with Lottie

Um, no, the pattern is that EW voted people before dreaming them, as I've said... thrice, now. I still see no plausible reason for his Eomer-vote except for the one I've brought up myself - in fact, no one's even bothering to think about it.

[Aganzir]

I probably shouldn't drink yerba mate at this hour if I'm planning to go to sleep early, but it's the only thing that keeps my brain going long enough for me to post...

A couple of things worth pointing out.

I don't understand why Form made such a fuss of Shasta mentioning us both in a post.

I'm feeling good about Lottie (not the least because EW called her OK), wilwa & Zil. However if I'm still alive tomorrow, I'm going to take a new look at the others I've been thinking innocent (namely Greenie & Pitch). I'm going to dare a guess there's at least one wolf among Eomer, Nerwen, Form and Kath (listed in order of suspiciousness).

There was something Eomer said before that caught my eye... Oh yes.

Inclined to think that Wilwa is guilty.

I don't think her fight with Shasta looked staged.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Reading through Shasta's posts today, Aganzir, I've changed my mind about Wilwa. I think she's probably innocent.

[A Little Green]

Darn daylight savings!! Sorry!

++ Shasta

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Darn daylight savings!! Sorry!

++ Shasta

That was, what, four days ago? Get with the times.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If you guys could lynch/kill Eomer, too, as a parting gift to me, that'd be just dandy.

Jerk.

[Boromir88]

Deadline. Stop the chatter.

Seeing as he's confessed this will be far less climatic than usual, but Shasta is indeed a wolf. Fea will follow with one of her narrations.

Tis Night. Anyone with anything to do begin.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Let's gather my thoughts, as of this moment.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Guilty: Shasta and Sally

Other two wolves, between: Greenie, Formendacil, Kath, Nerwen.

Leaning towards innocent: Inziladun, Loslote, Wilwa, Pitch.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Reading through Shasta's posts today, Aganzir, I've changed my mind about Wilwa. I think she's probably innocent.

Oh yeah that's true. I only remembered there was something I wanted to comment on.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Let's gather my thoughts, as of this moment.

What about me?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Forgot about you. That's terrible.

Agan is innocent.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Last Post Of The Day Belongs To A Wolf Bwahahaha.