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Old 10-29-2010, 08:41 PM   #1
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Doesn't it seem strange that he never bothered to stop at nearby Moria while enroute to Rivendell?
Well, Moria wasn't exactly "nearby" the route they were taking. Keep in mind that it took the Fellowship more than two weeks to reach the West-gate from Rivendell.

Also, concern about the state of Balin and his dwarf-colony in Moria was one of the things that drove Dáin to send emissaries to see Elrond. That, and the ominous messenger from Mordor. Glóin and Gimli were to seek the advice of Elrond, not to check on things in Moria themselves.
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Old 10-30-2010, 04:40 AM   #2
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Yeah High Pass I think it has to be-

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Not conclusive of course but I think with the "Many Meetings" quote this strengthens the argument that Gimli had recently visited the Beornings and travelled via the ford of Carrock and the High Pass.
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Not conclusive of course but I think with the "Many Meetings" quote this strengthens the argument that Gimli had recently visited the Beornings and travelled via the ford of Carrock and the High Pass.
Doesn't Gloin also grumble over the high tolls the Beorings charge for passage though their lands while maintaining that they still should be commended for keeping the High Pass accessible?

Yup, it must be the High Pass...
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Well, Moria wasn't exactly "nearby" the route they were taking. Keep in mind that it took the Fellowship more than two weeks to reach the West-gate from Rivendell.

Also, concern about the state of Balin and his dwarf-colony in Moria was one of the things that drove Dáin to send emissaries to see Elrond. That, and the ominous messenger from Mordor. Glóin and Gimli were to seek the advice of Elrond, not to check on things in Moria themselves.
Inzil,

I don't mean to belabor the point, but I still believe a diversion to Moria would seem logical, given:
-that Gimli was keen to know the fate of his kin in Moria
-Dain was, as well
-the time that the dwarves took between Sauron's emissaries
-the resulting decision to (finally) send Gimli abroad
-and the time it takes to travel from Erebor to Rivendell

I'm not saying you're wrong- your explanation is sound; it's the dwarves' reasoning that seems, well... strange. After all of that time spent treating with Sauron, and the long journey, Gimli dashed right to Rivendell, and no other dwarves of renown were sent to check on Moria.
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Old 10-30-2010, 10:34 AM   #5
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I'm not saying you're wrong- your explanation is sound; it's the dwarves' reasoning that seems, well... strange. After all of that time spent treating with Sauron, and the long journey, Gimli dashed right to Rivendell, and no other dwarves of renown were sent to check on Moria.
From what Glóin said to the Council, it had been approximately thirty years since Balin and his group had set out for Moria. "For a while" they were in contact with with Erebor, then they went silent. According to Gandalf's reading of the Book of Mazarbul, the colony endured for five years.
Naturally, King Dáin was well-versed in the dangers of Moria: he'd been present at the Battle of Nanduhirion and may have actually gotten a glimpse of the Balrog. When Thráin talked then of taking back Moria, Dáin tried talking sense to him, just as he tried to dissuade Balin later.

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When news from Balin's colony ceased, Dáin would have guessed that nothing in the power of his kingdom could rescue them if they'd run into trouble in Moria.
When the messenger from Mordor came, Dáin then could have seen a chance to kill two birds with one stone, getting advice on two matters that greatly worried him.
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