Werewolf LXXXIII: The Nightmare on the East Road - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pitchwife · 10-29-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen about Nog replying to Shasta

That's just plain weird, coming from a veteran like Nogrod, who knows perfectly well that there's a long history of other roles impersonating the Seer. He's arguing for the improbability of something that happens all the time. (Yes, I know Shasta has already drawn attention to this, but really, I think it needs more.)

No, Nog makes perfect sense here. Impersonating the Seer is usually a quick way to die. Innocents do it in order to be killed instead of the real Seer. But somebody whose winning condition is to be the sole survivor? Not a chance in hell IMO.
Shasta used the same argument, which is just completely wrong. Now this makes me really wonder about the two of you...

Nogrod · 10-29-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

No, Nog makes perfect sense here. Impersonating the Seer is usually a quick way to die. Innocents do it in order to be killed instead of the real Seer. But somebody whose winning condition is to be the sole survivor? Not a chance in hell IMO.
Shasta used the same argument, which is just completely wrong. Now this makes me really wonder about the two of you...

Exactly. Nice to see someone at last understands what I'm saying...

Compare to this...

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Originally Posted by Kath

Nog: I'm ... not quite sure what he was arguing here. Seems to be saying that Shasta was totally wrong to suggest he might be Seer ... but that actually Shasta wasn't saying that, but rather that he (Nog) was the BW pretending to be the Seer so the Seer would waste a dream on him. Is that right? I got lost in this.

Nogrod · 10-29-2010, 03:40 PM

A tally, anyone? I'm off for a cigarette to gather my thoughts.

Boromir88 · 10-29-2010, 03:42 PM

I believe so far vote are...

Elf Warrior - Eomer
Nerwen - Agan
Lottie - Elf Warrior
Form - wilwa
Kath - Form

Editted to correct the actual vote count

Aganzir · 10-29-2010, 03:48 PM

Kath, if it's any consolation, I won't start hating you any time soon even though you've threatened to lynch me because you make me laugh. A lot.

At the moment it's
EW - Eomer
Nerwen - Agan
Lottie - EW
Form - wilwa
Kath - Form

Left: Agan, Eomer, Greenie, Inzil, Nog, Pitch, sally, Shasta, Volo, wilwa

I'm currently inclined to vote for Volo, at least if there's no support for a sally lynch. Eomer is an option too.

Nogrod · 10-29-2010, 03:50 PM

Looking at my first set of people I'd say...

Eomer is non-involved but makes sense (not his vote on D1 though - but it suits the way of playing I don't personally like)

TEW seems like not interested / being busy.

Form looks genuine - even if, and becasue, he has other more pressing things in mind.

Kath, Sally and Nerwen all ring different alarm-bells... I'd be surprised if there wasn't a wolf among them - but I'd be surprised if there were two or three...

From the next list...

Inzil, Volo and Lottie... any one of them could be a wolf. A careful one, an odd one and another careful one. I'd bet once again there's one there...

(Heh, I see this is way too easy... take three and say one of them probably is a baddie... not good.

)

Time is running... sorry.

wilwarin538 · 10-29-2010, 03:52 PM

I'm seriously tempted to vote for Form. He thinks Agan could be the Cobbler but instead does a throw away? And he doesn't seem to really care all too much. (I know he said he would care more as a wolf, but I'm not inclined to take his word on that).

But.....I don't think I will. I want too, I'll admit partly out of spite (if someone votes me for finding me suspicious I'll get over it, but voting me on random is annoying and I don't like it), but something about it seems almost...too obvious? If that makes sense.

Gah. I'm going to go with:

++Volo

I definitely want to go for a quieter person, and he seems like one of those loud quiet people, ya know the ones that say a lot without actually saying much, and what he does say doesn't make a lot of sense.

x'ed with a bunches

Aganzir · 10-29-2010, 03:54 PM

++Volo

As opposed to Nog & sally, there seems to be a chance to lynch him. I feel semi-bad doing this because he hasn't played in a long time, but if he's innocent, he can only blame himself for being so weird.

Inziladun · 10-29-2010, 03:51 PM

I've been scanning the thread for the past half hour or so, trying to make up my mind.

I'm not impressed at all with Eomer, but I don't like TEW's vote for him either.

Volo still pings the radar.

Shasta is either evil or insane. Or both.

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Originally Posted by Kath

So, vote:

++FORM
I'm going on principles. Don't want to play? Feel free to leave.

Cold, that! I could possibly vote for Form, though. His votes have been odd both Days, and he's been around so little.

x/d with all since #214

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-29-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Agan

I'd prefer to vote for Nog, Volo or sally (I suspect Nog the most, but Volo and sally are quieter), but I could also go for someone in my Either category (not Inzil though before I've had a look at him, and I don't want to vote for Nerwen or Shasta either).

You don't want to vote for my dear one or I, and yet you find us both guilty? How interesting.

Re - Inzil: I didn't have... oh, what's the use. I'm not arguing this with you any more.

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Originally Posted by Kath

Where I argue with Inzil is the idea that Shasta was 'pushing' Nog as a suggestion. Actually, Shasta's suggestions about Nog were within the same post and then any other discussion was in answer to other people's comments on that post.

Kath, have I told you lately that I love you?

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Originally Posted by Pitch

No, Nog makes perfect sense here. Impersonating the Seer is usually a quick way to die. Innocents do it in order to be killed instead of the real Seer. But somebody whose winning condition is to be the sole survivor? Not a chance in hell IMO.

Yes, they do, but in the BW's case, they (obviously) cannot be killed by the wolves, so there's no real danger there, is there?

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Originally Posted by Kath

Shasta - I think it's great that he's around with ideas and I do think his words have been taken out of context a lot. That said, I think he focuses on the Seer too much and could potentially be a Cobbler taking attention away from the wolves.

Iwasn'tfocusingontheSeerIwasmakinganassumptionthat hasbeenblownentirelyoutofproportion... bah, you know what, forget it, rehashing the same argument over and over and over is getting redundantly stupid. Moving on.

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Originally Posted by Nog

(his insistence on the theory of me being the BW which is ridiculous but he can't admit he's wrong - he says his "theory" still holds when it doesn't)

Nerwen, Kath, and Pitch all seem to not think it's entirely 'ridiculous'. So...

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Originally Posted by Kath

I'm going on principles. Don't want to play? Feel free to leave.

She's absolutely right. Form, really...?

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-29-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilwa

Must have missed this earlier. He was not saying that it's improbable for anyone to pretend to be the Seer, he's saying it's improbable for the BW to pretend to be the Seer, since the Seer would then check them out and reveal them, or the Wolves would try and kill him and figure him out.

I honestly don't see why it's so improbable. The main danger (that the wolves will go after people that look Seerish) is negated since the wolves can't kill the BW, and the other danger (that the Seer will dream people who look Seerish) - just how likely is that, considering that ordos do it all the time? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think it's much more likely the Seer will dream those s/he suspects of Wolvery in general.

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-29-2010, 03:50 PM

I could vote for Volo, but I'd much rather vote for Inzil. And I won't vote Sally on account of she's been sick.

I'm currently neutral on Eomer but am inclined to see if he steps it up tomorrow (last chance, Eomer!)

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-29-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Agan

At the moment it's
EW - Eomer
Nerwen - Agan
Lottie - EW
Form - wilwa
Kath - Form

Of these, Agan probably looks the worst, but only because there are two on that list (Eomer and EW) who haven't really looked like anything. I'm not at all inclined to vote Wilwa, could join Kath in voting Form on principle... not sure I want to vote EW on the basis of one post... bah. I want to vote for Inzil but it's really too late in the day to make it a six-way tie.

Nogrod · 10-29-2010, 03:56 PM

Of trhose voted I'd prefer Volo (he's being acting strange) or if new ones would be considered, I'd say Sally...

X'd with Pitchie

Nogrod · 10-29-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Yes, they do, but in the BW's case, they (obviously) cannot be killed by the wolves, so there's no real danger there, is there?

Impersonating the seer will draw the attention of the seer. It's the best way to do it - if that is what you want... SO for a BW that would be the worst scenario...

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-29-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Impersonating the seer will draw the attention of the seer. It's the best way to do it - if that is what you want... SO for a BW that would be the worst scenario...

Well, the only thing I can say about this is that this is your opinion (and that's all) and that I'm obviously not going to sway you from it, so let's just drop the subject. We obviously disagree and that's fine, but much more and I'm going to get angry with you.

Volo · 10-29-2010, 03:57 PM

Ok, I see where this is leading. Don't vote for me. I'm the Ranger. wilwa is not the BW.

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-29-2010, 03:57 PM

Got to be...

++Volo, then.

Inziladun · 10-29-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Volo

Ok, I see where this is leading. Don't vote for me. I'm the Ranger. wilwa is not the BW.

Blast! Where were you!?

wilwarin538 · 10-29-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Volo

Ok, I see where this is leading. Don't vote for me. I'm the Ranger. wilwa is not the BW.

Snap.

Well, I'm inclined to believe him, since his last statement is in fact correct.

So I would say no one else should vote for him.

x'ed since Shasta's vote...so much for that

Pitchwife · 10-29-2010, 03:55 PM

Ah, a post by Kath, a list, and even a vote! I'm impressed (and not offended btw). As for the vote, I could even get behind that.
And a post and a vote from Form, with actually some few opinions. Wow. As for the vote, I strongly disagree.

DL soon, right? And I'm feeling fine, in doubt or flipflopping about most of the more vocal players. Garrrh.

I think I'll go with
++Eomer

He hasn't come back and delivered the more reasoned vote he promised us, and it looks like he's not going to, and he could well be a quiet wolf or Wight, and I'd rather be able to stop wondering what the heck he's up to.

PS. - Shasta, your reply to me re Nog - you're right there, I'll have to think this over again.

Aganzir · 10-29-2010, 03:57 PM

EW - Eomer
Nerwen - Agan
Lottie - EW
Form - wilwa
Kath - Form
wilwa - Volo
Agan - Volo 2
Pitch - Eomer 2

Left: Eomer, Greenie, Inzil, Nog, sally, Shasta, Volo

10-29-2010, 03:40 PM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	A tally, anyone? I'm off for a cigarette to gather my thoughts. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-29-2010, 03:42 PM	#4
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I believe so far vote are... Elf Warrior - Eomer Nerwen - Agan Lottie - Elf Warrior Form - wilwa Kath - Form Editted to correct the actual vote count __________________ Fenris Penguin Last edited by Boromir88; 10-29-2010 at 03:53 PM.

10-29-2010, 03:48 PM	#5
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Kath, if it's any consolation, I won't start hating you any time soon even though you've threatened to lynch me because you make me laugh. A lot. At the moment it's EW - Eomer Nerwen - Agan Lottie - EW Form - wilwa Kath - Form Left: Agan, Eomer, Greenie, Inzil, Nog, Pitch, sally, Shasta, Volo, wilwa I'm currently inclined to vote for Volo, at least if there's no support for a sally lynch. Eomer is an option too. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle. Last edited by Aganzir; 10-29-2010 at 03:48 PM. Reason: xed with Shasta

10-29-2010, 03:50 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Looking at my first set of people I'd say... Eomer is non-involved but makes sense (not his vote on D1 though - but it suits the way of playing I don't personally like) TEW seems like not interested / being busy. Form looks genuine - even if, and becasue, he has other more pressing things in mind. Kath, Sally and Nerwen all ring different alarm-bells... I'd be surprised if there wasn't a wolf among them - but I'd be surprised if there were two or three... From the next list... Inzil, Volo and Lottie... any one of them could be a wolf. A careful one, an odd one and another careful one. I'd bet once again there's one there... (Heh, I see this is way too easy... take three and say one of them probably is a baddie... not good. ) Time is running... sorry. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-29-2010, 03:52 PM	#7
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	I'm seriously tempted to vote for Form. He thinks Agan could be the Cobbler but instead does a throw away? And he doesn't seem to really care all too much. (I know he said he would care more as a wolf, but I'm not inclined to take his word on that). But.....I don't think I will. I want too, I'll admit partly out of spite (if someone votes me for finding me suspicious I'll get over it, but voting me on random is annoying and I don't like it), but something about it seems almost...too obvious? If that makes sense. Gah. I'm going to go with: ++Volo I definitely want to go for a quieter person, and he seems like one of those loud quiet people, ya know the ones that say a lot without actually saying much, and what he does say doesn't make a lot of sense. x'ed with a bunches __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

10-29-2010, 03:54 PM	#8
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	++Volo As opposed to Nog & sally, there seems to be a chance to lynch him. I feel semi-bad doing this because he hasn't played in a long time, but if he's innocent, he can only blame himself for being so weird. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle. Last edited by Aganzir; 10-29-2010 at 03:54 PM. Reason: xed with wilwa & Shasta

10-29-2010, 03:50 PM	#12
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I could vote for Volo, but I'd much rather vote for Inzil. And I won't vote Sally on account of she's been sick. I'm currently neutral on Eomer but am inclined to see if he steps it up tomorrow (last chance, Eomer!) __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV Last edited by Shastanis Althreduin; 10-29-2010 at 03:51 PM. Reason: X'ed with Nog.

10-29-2010, 03:56 PM	#14
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Of trhose voted I'd prefer Volo (he's being acting strange) or if new ones would be considered, I'd say Sally... X'd with Pitchie __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-29-2010, 03:57 PM	#17
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	Ok, I see where this is leading. Don't vote for me. I'm the Ranger. wilwa is not the BW. __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

10-29-2010, 03:57 PM	#18
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Got to be... ++Volo, then. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV Last edited by Shastanis Althreduin; 10-29-2010 at 03:58 PM. Reason: X'ed with Volo... crap.

10-29-2010, 03:55 PM	#21
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Ah, a post by Kath, a list, and even a vote! I'm impressed (and not offended btw). As for the vote, I could even get behind that. And a post and a vote from Form, with actually some few opinions. Wow. As for the vote, I strongly disagree. DL soon, right? And I'm feeling fine, in doubt or flipflopping about most of the more vocal players. Garrrh. I think I'll go with ++Eomer He hasn't come back and delivered the more reasoned vote he promised us, and it looks like he's not going to, and he could well be a quiet wolf or Wight, and I'd rather be able to stop wondering what the heck he's up to. PS. - Shasta, your reply to me re Nog - you're right there, I'll have to think this over again. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI